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so we agree that saying Nazism emerged as a means to protect private property and its holders was an oversimplification
Over or under simplification depends on context. Even what I just described is the method by which they protected the big business owners and private property, and siezed the property of Jewish people and other targets of the Holocaust.
What do you think I'm leaving out? Simply saying it's an oversimplification doesn't really give me much to address, you have to tell me what I'm missing in saying it.
in fact for meme purposes we could say that socialism is just a form of capitalism
In what manner? Again, what do you think Capitalism is, and why do you say Socialism could be considered a form of it? You've never answered that.
in the same way that this meme compares nazism and capitalism, one can do a similarly amusing one with socialism
How? Please explain, I have asked you to elaborate several times. Nazism is a form of Capitalism, it isn't distinct from it but merely the same underlying system in different circumstances. Socialism is entirely different, ergo you can't make the same comparison.
in the same way that nazis worked with capitalists, socialists have worked with capitalists to achieve their goals
you haven't proved nazism is a form of capitalism just because certain capitalists were supporting their politics. nazism is not an economic system
The Nazis were Capitalists. The Nazi party was largely made up of big business owners and other such people, the Nazis gained power that way. Nazism is a Politcal-Economic system, you cannot sepparate Politics from Economics.
I think you need to do more research on what we are talking about, especially because you haven't explained why we can make the same meme about Socialism.
you can easily make the same meme because this meme is just "here's a bunch of shitty things people that happen to be capitalists have done", find a bunch of nice things capitalists have done for the whole of society and your done, there's a bunch
the nazis were not inspired by capitalism to do what they did, they had lots of other motivations. ironically enough they were finally put down by capitalists
You're being extremely cagey. Why do you think the Nazis gained power? For what purpose? Moreover, they were overwhelmingly stopped by the Communists, 80% of the combat in World War II was on the Eastern Front. I don't think you have a good grasp of what we are talking about, here.
nicholas cagey? shucks
i've noticed discussing things with you guys you attempt to attack the other person rather than the arguments, they teach you that in socialism 101?
it would actually be more appropriate to say socialism is a form of capitalism because it is an attempt at an economic system and it came from an accurate analysis of capitalism, so it's actually derived from capitalism
you'll probably give me highlights of how russia won WWII
You don"t have arguments, though. I have tried to get you to make some, but you haven't, except for the times where you say things that are false, like the idea that Capitalists were the ones who beat the Nazis when it was the Red Army that killed 90% of the Nazis that were killed and took Berlin. I haven't attacked you, I pointed out that, repeatedly, you make unbacked assertions that aren't in line with reality, so I gently suggested you do more research.
Secondly, suggesting that Socialism is a form of Capitalism is the same as saying Capitalism is a form of Feudalism, and that Feudalism is a form of tribal society, just because these systems came before the other. That's entitely incorrect, though it would be correct to say that Capitalism's development drives Socialism to emerge, just as Feudalism's development drove Capitalism to emerge.
As for highlights, I don't really need to, the Eastern Front entirely eclipsed the rest of the combat combined, and the Soviets were the ones to take Berlin. No highlights are necessary, the Red Army gave by far the most and did by far the most in putting down the Nazis.
In a ~~shouting match~~ debate with Norman Finkelstein, Rabbi Shmuley said the Winston Churchill defeated the Third Reich, which is funny because Churchill hisself said that the Red Army ‘t[ore] the guts out of the’ Wehrmacht.
Absolutely! The historical revisionism over time is especially bad because people used to give credit where credit was due.
just weighing up what i'm allowed to say without getting banned on ml
while we're waiting do you know how i can tell your friend down there doesn't have any chinese friends?
No idea what you're getting at, to be honest.
which part?