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[–] crumbguzzler5000@feddit.org 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Really pisses me off the whole "males competing in female sports" comment from transphobes because it's just so fucking sexist as well as transphobic.

They clearly look down on the female gender as the "weaker" gender as though they pose no threat. Like at least be consistent in your transphobia ffs.

[–] SpatchyIsOnline@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's also a complete strawman argument, right wingers instantly bring it up when discussing trans people's basic right to exist, as if all trans people are trying to become professional athletes. They also conveniently forget that trans men exist when trying to argue their point.

[–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

They also conveniently forget that trans men exist when trying to argue their point.

  1. Most people forget trans men exist. If they get surgery and hormones they almost always pass enough to go completely stealth in day to day interactions, which is sadly rarely true for trans women.
  2. Trans men in sports overperform compared to cis women whom they wouldn't want to compete against in the first place, and underperform against cis men. There is no reason to worry about an unfair advantage by allowing trans men to compete in their preferred category, and men's categories are often open categories to begin with, so there may not even be a rule against it.
[–] MolochAlter@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't know if you're just not a sports person so you don't follow enough to know, but it's not a gender issue, it's a sex issue, and it's not a debate unless you literally never look at data.

Here are some examples:

100 Metres dash: every one of the last 25 male world records is faster than the current female world record (and thus every previous one), every continental record is higher than its female counterpart.

100 Metres freestyle swimming same for both long course and short course.

The Williams sisters challenged "any male top tennis player outside the top 200" claiming they could beat any of them and number 203 beat both in the same afternoon, after playing golf in trhe morning and drinking alcohol at lunchtime.


This has nothing to do with transgender rights and what trans people choose to identify as or whether they should be allowed to get surgeries or hormones or anything of the sort, sports are segregated by sex, not by gender, and there is no surgery to reverse male puberty.

Male puberty is akin to a years long round of doping, it literally releases testosterone into the body and, while some markers regress upon taking estrogen long enough (bone density and muscle density most of all), some aspects will never regress, like lung capacity and limb length, both of which are massive advantages in most sports.

There are some sports where this division is unnecessary, famously sport shooting records are very close, with women's records outclassing men's records more than a few times, if you ask the federations why this separation persists the answer is almost invariably to encourage females to participate as an "open" league rarely sees female participants.

However, in any sport where physical prowess is a factor, the sex separation exists for a reason. It's not an -ism, it's an exclusion for the benefit of females to be able to participate in the sport alongside people who don't have an in-built biological advantage over them.