I'd just like to point out that this picture is particularly impressive.
You are not supposed to touch the Crown Prince in any circumstances.
Seeing him embrace Zelensky speaks volumes.
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Saudi Arabia is an important nation not only because of oil but also because of Mecca and Medina’s importance to Islam.
I have no idea why you would think a nation shouldn't attempt to have congenial relations with another nation especially if that nation needs support from others.
MBS is a butcher, he should be shunned. This is a necessary evil, but is still disappointing.
The region is full of butchers. MBS just happens to be a close ally to the neoconservative CIA/State Department old guard. Of course he's going to be a touchpoint for a proxy war with their age old geopolitical enemy. Its the same reason Putin has reached out to Iran and North Korea.
Idealism has little place in foreign relations once you have to deal with the real world. We have to ally ourselves with people we find distasteful because our nations need to be tied for various reasons. It is childish to think your personal feelings about a national leader should impact your nation’s diplomatic relations.
As i said, this is a necessary evil. That does not change reality. MBS is a brutal dictator with an iron fist over the whole middle east, and he is a murderer. I think all countries should be moving away from saudi arabia, not closer to it.
“That does not change reality. MBS is a brutal dictator with an iron fist over the whole middle east.”
That is not true. He is the Prime Minister of KSA. He is the presumptive leader but is not on paper the reigning monarch. KSA does not have an iron fist over other Middle Eastern nations as some have little to do with KSA and others are too powerful themselves to kowtow to KSA such as Egypt or Israel.
“I think all countries should be moving away from saudi arabia, not closer to it.”
And I have already mentioned why this is unrealistic and childish. When you have to face these situations IRL you don’t have the option to avoid dealing with people you find distasteful.
Saudi Arabia is not exactly popular among Muslim people around the world. In particular with them embracing US influence, funding Daesh and other murderous groups and of course supporting Israel in its oppression and mass murder of Palestinians, MBS has a very bad reputation.
Source on the Saudi government funding DAESH? That claim makes little sense as like Al Qaeda DAESH wishes to overthrow the Saudi state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finances_of_the_Islamic_State
See https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/06/isis-saudi-arabia-iraq-syria-bandar/373181/ for the Citation 50
Also see https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-qa-is-saudi-arabia-funding-isis for an overview of various US internal documents where the US government itself accused Saudi Arabia of funding Daesh at least in the beginning.
Your primary source which you draw other sources from is 7 years old and wikipedia thinks it needs to be edited/fixed.
Only one of your sources talk about the government financing ISIS. The rest talk about Saudi people not the government. There is a huge difference from what the guy who is 6098th in line for the throne supports (the House of Saud is 12-15000 people so this isn’t a flippant comment), what a non-royal business guy supports and what the guy in charge supports. Only the guy in charge’s support is relevant to my request.
So your best source is an email link that Im not sure we still believe is true.