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So it's not opinion masquerading as fact, it is something that happens?
"Fact" would imply that there's a level of certainty about it, I would only argue it's fact if it happens an overwhelming amount of the time, or is party policy, or is done by senior leadership.
The question is what is meant by "a thought that doesn’t fit the narrative"?
Please give some examples, because they could be talking about likeing pineapple on pizza, or they could be talking about 'A womans place is in the home'; the latter would be something I'd expect a Nazi or a misogynist to say and agree with.
Does purely saying that make you either? Perhaps not, but if someone has a history and pattern of making similar statements that when looked at could paint a picture that certainly looks like a Nazi or misogynist.
Oh and toxic masculinity harms men, as much if not moreso than it harms women. It's the part that tells people to man up when they are struggling as opposed to actually helping. It the thing that makes men who have experienced abuse or rape not speak up cause his 'mates' will take the piss, it's a contributing factor in the amount of teenagers and young men who are suffering due to knife crime.
The point being is it's been twisted by the rights narative to say it's attacking men, when in reality it's a term given for harmful behavior and a harmful ideal to adhere to.
The one point being when discussing toxic masculinity, it should be paired with discussions of positive masculinity.
What hasn't happened is a mens liberation movement where we move passed the whole, men are robots whose feelings extend to happy, horny and angry.
The opinion was presented as a universal truth, not a rare occurrence, or even a common occurrence. The word "sometimes", or similar would have had to have been used for it to be "something that happens".
And I think you know that.
Yes, it probably would have been phrased better as "often" or "frequently", but you then saying it was entirely opinion and worse not even something they had the wit to come up with on their own was also poorly phased given that you then admitted it does happen.
Irrelevant; it is still opinion masquerading as fact. It is an opinion I have encountered many, many times. So the conclusion that it is not an original thesis is reasonable.