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A decision to negotiate over the heads of the Ukrainians would reveal just how Trump sees Ukraine and Europe.

Archived version: https://archive.is/newest/https://theconversation.com/ukraine-isnt-invited-to-its-own-peace-talks-history-is-full-of-such-examples-and-the-results-are-devastating-250049


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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Ukraine already made peace when they gave up their nuclear weapons in exchange for Russia's promise that they would respect Ukraine's sovereignty in the Belarus Memorandum in 1994. A promise which Russia broke repeatedly.

Russia has demonstrated over and over again that it will not abide by its own peace agreements. Russia cannot be trusted to honor any treaty. There can be no peace so long as Russia is a duplicitous kleptocracy.

[–] fallowseed@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

"In 2014, after a well-prepared[3] US-sponsored anti-Russian coup in Kyiv, Ukrainian ultranationalists banned the official use of Russian and other minority languages in their country and, at the same time, affirmed Ukraine’s intention to become part of NATO. Among other consequences, Ukrainian membership in NATO would place Russia’s 250-year-old naval base in the Crimean city of Sebastopol under NATO and hence U.S. control. Crimea was Russian-speaking and had several times voted not to be part of Ukraine. So, citing the precedent of NATO’S violent intervention to separate Kosovo from Serbia, Russia organized a referendum in Crimea that endorsed its reincorporation in the Russian Federation. The results were consistent with previous votes on the issue.

Meanwhile, in response to Ukraine’s banning of the use of Russian in government offices and education, predominantly Russian-speaking areas in the country’s Donbas region attempted to secede. Kyiv sent forces to suppress the rebellion. Moscow responded by backing Ukrainian Russian speakers’ demands for the minority rights guaranteed to them by both the pre-coup Ukrainian constitution and the principles of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). NATO backed Kyiv against Moscow. An escalating civil war among Ukrainians ensued. This soon evolved into an intensifying proxy war in Ukraine between the United States, NATO, and Russia."

from former ambassador chas freeman. you know what came after this ? a brokered peace agreement by osce france and germany in which various terms were settled which neither france, nor germany, nor ukraine were intending to uphold. this is the minsk agreement.

there's a lot you like to leave out, and i'm sure you'll deign to forget this history, too.

edit: to the one user who upvoted me: i see you, bless your heart and open mind- more than makes up for the dozens upon dozens of salty idealogues

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What the fuck source are you even quoting from?

NATO aggression is one of Putin's favorite talking points. If you're just going to parrot his propaganda then no one rational should listen to anything you have to say.

Moscow responded by backing Ukrainian Russian speakers’ demands for the minority rights

Where "backing" means "sending Russian military across the Ukrainian border illegally in order to conduct an invasion based on a flimsy pretext", yeah, Russia backed them.

[–] fallowseed@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

isn't it possible russia has just cause to fear nato build-up on their borders?

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

OK so now you're admitting that Russia broke the peace intentionally because of 'fear', and moving the goalpost you set earlier about Ukraine not wanting peace.

Classic bad-faith argument practice.

[–] fallowseed@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

yes russia broke international law, but everyone and their mother knew about putin's position and pressed it until it was determined from russian perspective that there was no alternative. by the way, international law-- why is it that the USA/israel can ignore it with impunity?

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You're moving the goalposts again. Stay on your original point or shut up.

[–] fallowseed@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

i concede a point to you but i guess i'm just moving goalposts.