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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's worth remembering that most of them were killed by disease, and that the diseases travelled faster than the colonists. Europe had had centuries of people living in filthy cities where all kinds of diseases were constantly breeding. The survivors carried those diseases but were immune to them. As soon as they met the native populations, the natives were exposed to countless deadly diseases that were completely new to them.

Now, sure, the colonists went and tried to slaughter as many natives as they could, but often they'd get to a new native settlement and find it was mostly empty because everybody had already either died or fled. Who knows, the natives might have been able to put up a fight against the colonists if they hadn't been so devastated by the diseases. I'd bet that the colonists just took all the natives dying as another sign that their conquest was blessed by their god.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The city of Cohokia was unrivaled in population on the continent until post-colonial Philadelphia about 800 years later, and by some estimates may have even rivaled contemporary London at its peak

There's other native American cities being found hidden in the jungles of South America too.

The amount of history, stories and people that have been lost to the sands of time are incredible

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Keep in mind that at the time London wasn't all that big a city.

Cahokia is estimated at between 12k and 40k people. That's a decent sized city for sure, but around the same time, Baghdad had a population over 1 million. Uruk in modern-day Iraq had 40k people at 3000 BC, and Ur hit 100k by 2000 BC. Rome and Alexandria hit 1 million 2000 years ago.

I think Tenochtitlan was more impressive, not only because of the population (estimated at between 200k and 400k on the day Cortez arrived) but also because of how the city looked, basically a city built into the middle of a lake. I still love to look at Thomas Kole's visualizations of the city

By the way, if you haven't read Cahokia Jazz, you should. It's a fun crime story, set in a world where Cahokia didn't fall, and where the independent native people are waging political battles to keep their freedom as Europeans claim the rest of the continent.