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Yea like raping and killing innocent people on a festival. I would never say that its ok what Israel is doing. Its horrible.
But comparing Hamas with Ukraine is more than stupid, especially Ukraine didn't attack russia.
What Isreal has been doing to the palistinians for several decades :
I bet the freaking party was on fucking stolen land too.
Freedom to palestine.
Sorry not playing your stupid game of who is worse and whataboutism
Both are doing horrible things to people. We should highlight each of those. If you think one action justify the other, you will get in a vicious circle And we should fight for human rights, not against each other.
Hamas are fighting for their freedom. They're killing/kidnapping civilians because Isreal has been doing it for decades and been cheered for it. Massacre can go both ways.
Fighting war crimes with war crimes doesn't make it okay
It's called fight for freedom. The fuck are they supposed to do ? accept being massacre , just wait for the next bomb to kill their entire family ? Wtf ?
That's a very difficult question to answer but they're doing it your way and now there's just more massacre on both sides with seemingly no end in sight. Is it really freedom if everyone is dead?
Have you ever read about any colonized country ? The colonizers commited the most heinous acts to the natives and when they inevitably insurge they'd massacre them. These countries are free because they fought until they become free. Death is inevitable until freedom is gained.
I see your point but there's gotta be a better example. The natives didn't have any allies that could stand up to the colonizers or even a way to ask for outside help. Today, we have the internet.
I'm just spitballing here in my privileged American home, but if Hamas was vocal about not stooping to Israel's civilian-killing level, and did major damage to a political building without harming anyone, that could have given Palestinians more sympathy on the world stage. Even if it's the thing that "must be done for survival", it's really hard to be on the side of innocent killing. I personally can't be on either side of this conflict, and many feel the same.
So the the several decades of massacre, ethnic cleansing , forced land seizing and house demolishing to give to fucking settlers that Isreal has been commiting towards the Palestinian was okey ? When palistinians attack the fucking settlers that stole their land it's too much ?
You didn't read my post. I'm on nobody's side. What Isreal has done is 100% not okay, and at scale much worse than what Hamas has collectively done in response.
I read it. Not siding with the ones that are fighting for freedom because they're fighting for freedom doesn't make sense to me. Have you ever read about any colonized country ? Reading about the fight of the colonized for freedom and the tactics used by colonizers to delegitimize their fights from killing civilians as punishment, calling the freedom fighters terrorists to playing the victim and lying to achieve that status. It's eye opening.
If Palestine continues with their eye for an eye approach, they are going to lose their fight for freedom. They need strong allies, like every other country fighting for their freedom. Ukraine is the best example I have, but I know it's not the same. I hope Palestine gets their freedom my friend, it doesn't look good so far. This is the last comment I'm gonna make.
LOL
How? their rockets barely do anything. The only way for them to do damage is a ground invasion, and for that to happen they'd need the help of radicalized Gazans, and those Gazans will 100% do harm to civilians.
Plus "sympathy on the world stage" isn't worth two Qasam rockets.
It doesn't matter, if you're a citizen of the US or Europe, then you're automatically assigned to the occupation terrorists side by your government. Hamas wasn't looking for your support, because you can do nothing, only your glorious supreme leader can.
that's a kindergarten level of doing things. "uuuuuuugh you did that to me imma do the same for you uuuuuuugh". that's straight up pathetic.
Your argumentation is pretty shortened. Its the same argument if somebody say, Israel is fighting for its freedom after anti semitic movements and nazism in central and eastern europe.
There are no rights, when it comes to harming innocent civilians.
Edit: On both sides of course, same.goes for the army of Israel and not helping civilians.
Isreal is killing civilians deliberately to punish them for their fight freedom. Colonizers in the past used this tactic with every country they colonized. The colonizer must not feel safe in the land he's stealing. The colonizer need to fucking leave.
Except Israel isn't the colonizer, it's their land as much as it's Palestinian land too.
Except It's been colonized by European jews in 1948. Following judaïsme doesn't give them right to steal the land.
If roles were reversed gaza wouldn't exist at all
Isreal shouldn't have existed.
Better start another war to remove them. That'll work. Even if that were true it ignores the reality it's there now.
Earth is dying, ressources depleting and temperature are rising. Do you expect a bright future ahead ? By 2050, the Middle East will have unbearable heat waves and it will be getting worse from there. It's there now , yes, but doubt it'll be there in the next century. Most humanity either, but that's a bonus.
I am pretty sure that Ukraine attacked Russia, after Russia started stealing it's land.
you mean attacking military infrastructure after one year+ of shelling? Thats something completely different.
If Ukraine did or does war crimes, they should be condemned.
That's not as bad as 17years of starvation and oppression.
Ukraine is very organized compared to Hamas; they have an actual government that's allowed to function and can instruct it's troops.
If Russia was surrounding Ukraine while the US wasn't giving aid to them, the Ukrainian government would either not exist, or become a "terrorist group" that's divided into a dozen militants that are barely organized. An attack formed by this group would be devastating to Russian civilians, because even if the head of this organization intends on not hurting civilians, will the militant groups that are mostly comprised of radicalized Ukrainians looking for revenge care?
Ukraine should start committing war crimes, maybe that would get them more US support.
Or they would get completely wiped out. Like look at the occupied territory of Ukraine.
Yea lets commit war crimes, who doesn't want to live in such a world.
Oh, so if you are fighting a bigger country and don't have allies, just die. Very smart move.
If the purpose of the comment is to show that the occupation is being merciful by not wiping out Palestine, then you might be ignoring that they're doing just that.
Just look at how much space settlements are taking up in the West bank. They're just doing it more slowly because they'll have useful agents like you to defend them after Palestinians inevitably resort to violence.
The US wouldn't even condemn the building of these settlements, even though their condemnation would do absolutely nothing.
We're already here.
… this is a joke right? Israel has been attacking Palestine for 75 fucking years. So it’s OK if it’s one year, but not 75?
First of all, don't put words in my mouth.
This conflict is not one directional. Please check your history books,.or Wikipedia.
Defending is not attacking. Words matter
Defending what? Is it their land they're defending? Last time I checked Russia was claiming that the land belonged either to them or to an independent state. That would be attacking.