Just don’t engage with anyone who unfairly accuses you of “antisemitism”. Antisemitism is indeed a serious problem, but it doesn’t apply here. There is a huge difference between criticizing a government and criticizing a religion, but some people can’t/won’t accept that.

People who casually throw the word “antisemitism” around are usually too emotionally invested to have a real conversation, and/or they’re just trying to put you on the defensive. Never be afraid to abandon a conversation. You are not required to respond to anything someone says.

[–] TheFriendlyDickhead@lemm.ee 24 points 11 months ago (4 children)

The peoblem is that at demonstrations against Israel there are a lot of people who confuse that. So there actually is a lot of antisemitism happening. Some people who are strongly antisemitic just take the whole conflict as an excuse. Ofc not the majority, but there are allways idiots.

[–] greenskye@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Basically any movement against bad people who happen to be part of a minority seems to get hijacked by bigoted people eventually.

[–] pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

It just means we have to do a bit of extra labour to make sure our movements are not infiltrated by shitbirds. I was just at a protest this weekend, and was pleased by the handful of signs I saw specifically denouncing anti-semitism.

Yes, it sucks that we have to throw in what feels like a parenthetical, while people are bleeding out under tonnes of rubble, but y'know, I guess that's just where we're at as a species right now.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago

True. It happens in reverse, too. Sometimes people try to disguise hateful antisemitism as a valid political discussion.

[–] TGhost@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Where do you come from all ?

Here in France, you even have the far right who is 100% racist and antisemitic , who start to be accepted by the average population, as defensor of the Jews and being seen as an wall to protect them...

Because here in France, they have made the movement against antisemitic a movement against Arabs and assimilated.

[–] magnetosphere@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

American here. The progressives among us despise the fact that bigotry is becoming more and more acceptable. We’re supposed to be outgrowing that shit, not encouraging it!

[–] TGhost@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

Thanks for tour answer.

Clearly for your last sentence :'(

Progressive are pretty dead here and have no visibility at all.

[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

This whole thing has given antisemites plausible deniability to express their hateful views. It's impossible to tell who is anti-Israel because of antisemitism and who is anti-Israel for other reasons.

[–] Kanda@reddthat.com 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Not celebrating the war crimes is clearly anti-Semitism. Remember to pay your taxes so Israel can have more weapons

[–] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago

I’m not a fan of this war. Just a reminder of the massive war crimes hamas committed to reignite this though. Zero justification for either side to commit them but also seems strange ignoring theirs in favour of Israel’s

[–] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 11 months ago

There is a huge difference between criticizing a government and criticizing a religion

Agreed, but I don't think it's religious bigotry; I think it's racial bigotry. Antisemitism is a form of racism. Do you think the Nazis gave atheist Jews a free pass?

[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

It also turns out that people get angry when you point out that Palestinians are Semites.

[–] blue_zephyr@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Criticising Judaism doesn't make you an anti-semite. There's valid criticisms to be raised against most religions, this can be done without resorting to hostility or prejudice.

[–] Jamil@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

Some can't voice their views without putting their livelihoods on the line. We need protections for people to voice their opinions on Zionism without being labeled an anti-Semite.