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US men are dying much earlier than women, as death 'gender gap' widens: Study
(medicalxpress.com)
this post was submitted on 13 Nov 2023
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It’s telling that your first reaction is to joke about the issue. Imagine someone talking about wage gaps and people making a joke about women.
I mean I always enjoy humor about dark subjects personally, doesn't matter the topic. Maybe that's just the autism working tho
if it was about wage gaps and the joke was about women people would call it mysogyny not "dark humor" so it's not unreasonable to take his comment as misandrist.
That's what they get for sacrificing their educations and careers to have children.
Bigotry is not eliminated by bigotry in the other direction.
Enabling their hypocracy? It isn't exactly unfair to call out this kind of joking when a cornerstone of men's issues is that they often aren't taken seriously when things like mental health issues arise. They're often dismissed with jokes or belittled.
In other words, the person who came in joking failed to read the room and got called out for it. Would you defend someone saying, even facetiously 'bet she's just saying that for attention ' in a rape support thread?
Sounds like you're working through some personal issues there, champ. Wanna air them out?
You really expect people to take your opinions to heart and maybe change their minds and agree with you, while speaking to them like this?
If you're here to just make yourself feel better, especially if you've been hurt, then by all means, continue. We don't mind the verbage pollution. /s
However, if you're here to express ideas and have conversation that may lead to understanding, you'll need to work on your temper/tone.
And if you just want to flame me for pointing this out, then continue on, Internet Warrior. Or don't, you're not making things any better here if you do.
No, not angry. Feeling sorry for you would be the correct emotion.
Trying to offer you some honest advice, but you're not in a state of mind to take it.
I wish you well.
Oh horseshit, you said you're cool with making bigoted jokes now that the shoe is on the other foot. Get fucked with the whole righteous indignation spiel.
It's interesting that criticism enrages you so much. Maybe take some time to touch grass and reflect.
I called you on bullshit, and you're fantasising about my imagined political ideology, my opinions concerning women, where I live (protip: EU citizens can't vote in US elections) and my marital status.
Who's projecting here?
you have poor reading skills
Bigotry is the unreasonable and prejudicial intolerance of the members of a particular group.
I doubt you have encountered any actual bigots, as I can't imagine any group that would willingly include you in their ranks.
Oh great, and soon we will have the right to make bigoted jokes about women again when “eye for an eye” comes to fruition?
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You cant say with certainty that that is the cause because there are many other numerous factors that can cause this
joe rogan is an idiot though
Obvious joke is obvious lol
Does this mean that I can also make jokes about the massive gaps in other situations against women?
There are way more male than female politicians: Maybe if you stop bickering about emotional bullshit you'd be liked and voted for.
There are way more men than women in the tech sector: I mean hey women know how to make a good dish and men know how to code a good porn site.
There are more men holding executive positions in public companies: Listen, that's on you if your work goes to shit for a week every month.
I could go on but you get the idea. Is that OK?
Sounds like you took that personally...
Huh... is Joe Roganisn an identity now?
I just saw someone being unfair towards a group of people and no one calling them out. If someone were to also make a joke at any minority group/protected class without anyone calling them out I'd do the same thing.
It's just kinda hard to find people being misogynistic, racist, homophobic or whatever and no one calling them out at least here on lemmy. Which is good.
Sounds like you were just looking for an opportunity to spew your own misogyny. It came rather easily if not even a bit eagerly to you for an argument against it.
and despite how youre trying to sell it, it’s not ‘calling out’ someone when you precisely example it like you’re talking to a child.
And it is derailing, which is hypocritical.
And it’s aggressive.
So It misses the point your tying to argue it makes on so many levels.
I don't even know what that means.
I was being aggressive by illustrating different situations to show that it's unacceptable to anyone to make sexist jokes. But when it's a sexist joke against men you don't seem to care.
But what the hell am I derailing? The article said that suicides and overdoses are on the rise which cause early deaths disproportionately for men. Then the commenter said some dumb shit about health choices from Joe Rogan. There is no conversation here, OP just saw a chance to shit on meatheads but chose the wrong time and place.
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So It missuz the point ur tying to RGew it makes on so many levels.
Better?
Yeah buddy it's the women who are too emotional. This is definitely a completely proportionate and rational reaction
It’s punching down. You can make jokes like that and nobody is going to punish you for it but they will think you’re a jackass.
That's a convenient excuse to be an asshole to half the population while running interference for the other.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander
Makes sense I guess but it still feels unfair. Like people can make jokes about men who are suicidal and overdosing but you can't make jokes about women's stereotypes?
To me it should be one or the other
1- You can make whatever jokes about any protected class or minority
2- You can't ever make jokes at the expense of a protected class regardless of how privileged they are
No one is stopping you from doing either one. OHHHH you just don’t want the consequences. It’s Not about personal responsibility or choice. I see now.
I'm saying this about myself bro what the fuck are you talking about? I'm saying other people should follow one or the other.
No lie you sound like ChatGPT 0.1 trained on tumblr lmao.
I mean I would definitely consider it in poor taste if a woman started making tone deaf jokes about male suicide rates. You get a lot more leeway when making fun of a group you are a part of. You combine that with the general assumption that everyone on the internet is male until proven otherwise, and yeah in this kind of forum it’s much more acceptable to make jokes at the expense of men than women.
There’s also a bit of a disparity in the examples you gave. The idea that men die earlier because they take medical advice from Joe Rogan is obviously not made in sincerity. The overwhelming majority of men have never listened to Joe Rogan and besides a few high profile examples I don’t think he actually gives that much medical advice. Though it would be harmful if people genuinely believed this was true, it doesn’t seem likely that anyone would.
On the other hand, Women being worse workers due to emotions or their periods or whatever is something a lot of people genuinely believe. In some circles those statements wouldn’t be considered jokes but rather serious opinions. Repeating those things, even if you don’t personally believe then, reinforces the ideas and is clearly harmful to women.
A similarly offensive “joke” at men’s expense would be something like “men die earlier because they’re too stupid to see a doctor”. This would be a bad joke, because it’s taking something which is basically true, men don’t see doctors as frequently, and tying it to a real and harmful stereotype, men are dumber than women.
You're right, the OP wasn't serious. But same as with misogynistic jokes, a lot of people could believe the Joe Rogan thing. I mean he does like carnivore diets, he puts vaccine skeptic people on his show, he took Ivermectin, and there is likely some other dumb shit he spews that would be harmful. I could easily see someone believing that he was a part of if not a big cause of male deaths in during the pandemic if you've not read the article.
The examples I gave were intentionally bad to show the difference in reaction in this community. But TBH, I see now that the reaction is not as one sided as I saw in the first place. Still fucked up though.
If that’s what you think a joke is maybe give up on trying for a comedy career.
No, it's not okay. My parents didn't have me to be your f*cking 'Chef.' Learn to cook a decent meal for yourself a**hole.