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[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is a war, so you are basically talking about an urban assault involving thousands of IDF infantry kicking doors down house to house and shooting anyone who shoots at them.

The US did that in Fallujah, and it's pretty gnarly. US had 500 casualties IIRC. The US also told all the residents to evacuate Fallujah before the operation went down.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's why they're using this strategy. If there were a ton of Israeli soldier casualties on Bibi's watch, the military might let the public remove him from power, or do it themselves. Netanyahu has every motivation to bomb and starve Gaza. The actual solution would have been to build up Palestinian groups who oppose Hamas and prefer a two state solution, but that isn't the IDF's goal. Their refusal to do so over the last few decades not only led to this war, but should have told supportive nations that too many Zionists are genocidal theocrats.

The most economical endgame for Israel's current military actions is the forceful expulsion of almost all Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank. Occupation is a bad option. They've undermined the movement for coexistence so badly that even a total reversal of policy would be difficult. It's so fucking sad.

[–] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Meh. God will punish him surely.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't care what God will do to him; I just want to get these awful people out of power so they'll stop killing children. God making things right in the afterlife isn't a universally agreed upon truth, so we must do the right thing regardless of its existence. If God is good, surely he'd want us to make our mortal existence less miserable and more meaningful, right?

[–] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago

I prefer not to attempt to assert my morality upon a higher power

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

America tried bombing a million innocent civilians from the comfort of their lazy ass Texas seat too. Remind me whether they won that war. Surely they didn't leave a giant power vacuum and created many more resistance fighters.

[–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Majority of deaths in iraq were during the civil war and the insurgency that followed, the 1 million figure that gets banded about with little evidence is in no way "civillians killed by NATO".

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

America purposely targeted civilian infrastructure at the start of their attack to cripple and kill the population and ruin their economy. They did not target military goals.

The 1 million figure is widely accepted.

[–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

I don't disagree, but given that the majority of the deaths happened uears later I think its niave to suggest that the USA killed 1 million iraqis.