I understand what you're saying here and I agree that that's what's going here, but making something "diplomatically palatable" is for all intents and purposes equivalent to appeasement and (in my view) automatically makes any other claims made subject to suspicion.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, Atlanticists are imperialists and should be condemned, but your view is rather unhelpful since it means the vast majority of statements connected to the UN since ~1980 fall under the same view. It's not like the PRC denies that the RoC government exists and effectively controls the island of Formosa, in our context it is just a rhetorical affectation to the effect of the RoC government not being legitimate, which is a pretty fair stance to take given the RoC's own positively absurd territorial claims.

[–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Libs: I support Taiwan because China is bad

Leftists: do you support the 11 dash line then?

Libs: ???

[–] YaBoyMax@programming.dev -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The ROC's territorial claims are a side effect of the PRC's stance on Taiwan. I don't remember the exact details but essentially the PRC has previously declared that it would interpret any change in the ROC's territorial claims as a declaration of war. It's a matter of pragmatism.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Uhh the RoC's territorial claims are a direct effect of their century-old hyper-nationalist stances that led to them losing a civil war against the peasantry of China.

Unless you think Mao somehow personally provoked them into declaring ownership over Mongolia?

[–] YaBoyMax@programming.dev -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The ROC has undergone a pretty big shift in its form of governance and general culture in the last ~50 years. Yes, their current claims are a remnant of their past as the government of mainland China, but given that changing their official stance runs the risk of provoking the PRC they're effectively immutable for the time being.

[–] carl_marks_1312@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

You sound so gullible to believe a nationalist government will give up it's territorial claims on their own Accord lol

[–] zerfuffle@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Given that the civil war never technically ended, I'm pretty sure a "declaration of war" just reinforces the status quo.