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To Pay for Trump Tax Cuts, House GOP Floats Plan to Slash Benefits for the Poor and Working Class
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People need to accept that the electoral system in the US is just a trolley problem at the end of the day unfortunately.
Basically, and people let 'the enemy of perfect get in the way of good enough'. Progress is incremental unfortunately. That's just how it is. We can accept that, or we get this crap.
not really close to ‘good enough’ but least bad
This is exactly the fucking problem, if it's not perfect enough then people allow it to get worse instead.
The only way a political party changes is when they stop winning.
If Democrats think they will win by being Republicans who hate the gays a little bit less, then that is what they'll do. They were just shown that that isn't a winning strategy, so we'll see if the party changes tack or doubles down.
"You monster, it is your fault you gave us Trump"
I make my voting preferences known in every primary, state, and federal election. I actively volunteer for candidates I like. The party knows what will earn my vote, if they wanted it. If they make the strategic bet that getting my vote will cost them more from somewhere else, then that is on them.
"That is so entitled, how could you"
Have you ever considered that the reason both parties seem so out of touch with mainstream thought is because they have 10s of millions of people who will vote regardless of policy, thereby preventing the parties from understanding what is actually effective in getting them votes?
Elections are an information gathering mechanism.
You seem to think there will be real elections again rather than the type they have in Russia now that Republicans control all three branches of government.
I'm not sure why. Do you think they will ever willingly give up power?
It is impossible to argue against conspiratorial thinking.
Let's say Kamala had narrowly won the election, would 2028 be the right time to hold the Democrats accountable for real, useful, policy changes? Or would there be another Republican Boogeyman (maybe Ted Cruz again? Or Desantis?) that would absolutely need to be defeated before it would be proper - in your opinion - to ask these public servants to actually serve me?
According to many commenters here, and I assume many of the downvoters whenever a comment questions the utility of unconditional loyalty to the blue party, the US has been hovering just above an irreversible descent into a fascist dictatorship.
So let me ask you, which of the leaders you voted for reversed that decline? Because the 'vote blue no matter who' dogma has given over a decade of historically unpopular candidates who consistently lose to - again according to you - naked fascists.
As I keep telling people, I take W.C. Fields' advice when it comes to voting: "I never vote for, only against."
And people like you don't get that. I didn't vote for anyone. I voted against Trump because there were only two viable choices.
And this has been true for me for every election in my adult life. Because I do not care about which team you or anyone else is on, all I care about is keeping the worst of the worst out of office.
And that failed, which is why I got the fuck out of America before my daughter was forced into a conversion therapy camp.
I expect, if you're like others who take your attitude, your next response will be about how I should put the needs of Palestinians over my own child and there won't be a genocide of queer people despite them being totally open about their intentions.
How has voting against worked for you? Given that you fled the country, it doesn't sound like it got the outcome you wanted.
With the data point, I'll keep voting for things I want - will let you know if that strategy works better.
Sounds like your plan to punish the dems is about to punch you in the face.
Y'all are really just allergic to actual discourse.
I get it, you don't like Trump being president. Neither do I. Personally blaming me for the party gaslighting about Biden's fitness, then running Kamala on trans erasure, 'most lethal' military, a militarized border, tax cuts, etc. etc. Is counterproductive. Large parts of her platform, and this is not an exaggeration, were literally what Trump ran on in 2016.
Did you vote for Trump's policies in 2016? Why are you insisting everyone do just that in 2024?
That's not even sort of true.
You're right, it's all lies. The Dems had the best platform ever and that's why they won.
Your vote was meaningless? Even in local elections? You sat out the whole thing because of the top of the ticket?
I the fuck just emigrated to the UK because my gay daughter isn't safe in the U.S. and I am 47.
Why does any of that matter?
Also, I'm not mad.
yep totally not mad
normal to be imo but at least be honest with yourself
as to why it matters, you’re clearly ignorant regarding how bad it really is in the south and I was giving you the benefit of the doubt
Unfortunately yeah my vote was pointless and local elections too. I ended up getting a runoff for my city council District, both candidates use pictures of them with Ted Cruz in their advertising. That'll sober you right the fuck up.
So the only down ballot election was the one for one city council seat?
You must have had a tiny, tiny ballot.
Buddy what kind of down ballot races did you think there where in my area? In an area in which two Maga Republicans who split their vote still won enough of the votes that they were the only two options in the runoff. I want you to think critically about what kind of fucking candidates are running in my area and what kind of vote totals they must have been getting.
I don't know... state legislature? Mayor? County council? County clerk? City clerk? At-large council members? Sheriff? Judges?
I'm sure I can come up with others. Or were they all vote-splitting runoff elections?
Wow you really failed at my request to think critically didn't you?
dudes just naive and likely not in a deep red state
I lived in Indiana before I emigrated a week and a half ago, but nice try.
really deep south there lmao
You asked me what kind and I told you. Now you're criticizing me for it?
Why did you ask me a question if you didn't want me to answer it?
Ooof
Yes, I agree. Asking someone a question and then getting pissed that they answered it is a big 'oof.'
Who's mad friend? Projecting?
I'm pretty sure only one of us has been needlessly hostile this whole time and it wasn't me.
You know, since all I said was that I've thought about Gitmo in the last 20 years.
No earthly idea what you are talking about.
Not quite.
For starters it didn't use to be a choice of "who would you rather see killed" - or in other words, nothing was forever lost if one side won instead of the other - and beyond that it has always been a cyclical choice, so it made sense for voters who felt insufficiently catered to, to punish a side on one cycle to try and get it to offer a better deal on the next cycle.
Whether that remains the case - i.e. will Trump make himself dictator for life - is the big question.
That's true but I didn't mean it as a choice of who you'd rather see killed, just that the system is set up in such a way that as a rational voter you are forced into a situation where you must act to prevent the worst outcome rather than voting for your interests and what you believe in.
At this point the trolley problem is "would you like to vote for killing 1000 per year for the next four years or would you like to vote for killing 4000 people this year with the hope that maybe it'll cause the whole trolley system to self destruct...? (The numbers are purely illustrative).
Edit: apparently it's not obvious that I think these are both horrible options, and I voted for the limping painfully along for an extended period.
Making things worse based on the idiotic hope that it might somehow magically spark things to get better is the absolute dumbest fucking idea one can have.
If by "trolley system to self-destruct" you mean violent revolution and a new system of government imperfect in a completely different way, yes. Good luck with the wait.
That's exactly what I mean, and I agree that it sounds awful. It's like people go into these conversations deciding which side the other person is on based on which they can argue the most with.
At least you're honest about this half-baked excuse for a plan
Got a better one?
I don't need an excuse. I voted against the horror that is unfolding right now.
That isn't how trolleys work.