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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You are a fantasist and cleary never worked in positions in direct contact with people in high level leadership positions if you think common people can "push world leaders" like that.

You know how I can push the leaders around here: being involved in politics, unions and civic society movements and campaigning for them to lose power or fear losing power enough that they move in our direction to try and find a compromise, and I've chosen to be involved in politics, and have done it twice, in Portugal and in Britain, and that means demonstrations, leafletting, canvassing and talking to people on the street. I'll even talk to people on the Internet and try and convince them to look at things from another viewpoint just as I did here, a thing you're right now heavilly criticizing (curious that you think firing an e-mail into a politicians trash box is more effective than grassroots work).

In your persistence that "emailing, sending letters and making phone calls" is the only way for others in a non-US context to push for political change you're either incredibly naive or arguing in bad faith. It also indicates that you have a belief that the leaders can be trusted, listen in good faith and you can convince them directly (the "good boss" fable of subservient proles) whist my view is more the sindicalist view that the fight has to happen from the bottom up since those in power are more often than not corrupt, because they were either corrupt to begin with (the kind of people attracted to power are seldom the kind that should have power) or power corrrupted them and putting your hopes on them not being corrupt is childishly naive.

As for your love for the Democrats, you're the one playing Defense of their leadership here by criticizing those who criticize them: Trump also being a Genocide supporter and all-around Fascist is a well established fact around these parts and doesn't make the support for Genocide of others any less abhorrent and thus doesn't that suport any less indefensible. Yet, "strangelly", you chose to attack those who criticize a very specific set of Genocide supportes who, "by an amazing coincidence" all happen to be from the same party.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Okay, you're just lying now. I have never defended Democrats, I am not a Democrat and I have never been a Democrat.

I'm not even in the U.S. at this point. We fled last Monday.

Where's your love for Palestinians? When's the last time you even asked a Palestinian about what they needed?

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"I never defended Democrats. Nor do I think Democrats are even relevant anymore. My whole point in this thread is a bunch of people are arguing over Democrats and Republicans and not giving a shit about Palestinians, just using them as pawns to argue about American politics."

Ok, judging by the quote from another post of yours it seems we're mis-interpreting each others intervention by reading more into them that what's actually there.

As I've explained in this I'll use my soapbox to point out the hypocrisy of any Genocide supported in American politics because by all indications only a change in American politics can stop what Israel is doing and stop it happenning again in the future. I don't care about American politics per-se, I care about the most efficient means to change things in Palestine to a fair situation and that passes by either a change of American politics or America removing itself entirelly from playing kingmaker in that area (which itself is also a change in American politics)

As for love of Palestinians, I have no love for Palestinians, or Israelis, or Americans or even my countrymen, the Portuguese. I don't operate at the emotional tribalist level.

My emotions are abhorrence of pain, suffering and oppression being inflicted to others and empathising with those who are Oppressed, treated unfairly, made to suffer or even killed and from that comes anger against those doing it and those who support them. I will and have literally sacrificed myself to avoid that others are hurt even when they're not close friends or family.

The other side of the very same empathy that genuinelly makes me feel good that you got your daughter out of Trumps America before she was made to hurt because of the gender or those she naturally loves, is what makes me rage against the people who would support directly or indirectly the extreme pain, suffering, misery, trauma, ruined lives and desth being infliced on millions in Palestine.

My support has nothing at all to do with their nationality or ethnicity and all to do with them being human beings who are being made to suffer undescribable pain through no fault of their own by people for whom not even the innocence and powerlessness of childhood in their victims will limit their violence.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I have no love for Palestinians

That much is clear since you apparently aren't even interested in asking them what they need.