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[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 16 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Could someone explain like to an non American why the president gets to pardon people at all?

If someone committed a crime they're guilty, if there's new evidence that they're not guilty then that's what appeals are for.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 18 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

In a perfect system, the pardon is meant to be a "check" on the powers of the other branches. (Legislative and judicial). Each branch is meant to both support AND check the others.

Obviously we are watching it all unwind. Certain things were a "gentleman's agreement" in that a president normally wouldn't over do it and just pardon tons of people. We are finding out lots of things were just assumed to be ok, but are easily abused by bad actors

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

That kinda makes sense, but aren't some of your top judges appointed by the president. Which would mean the office of the president automatically has 2/3 of the things under their control.

[–] TacoSocks@infosec.pub 2 points 1 hour ago

Congress/Senate has to confirm judge appointments, but they mostly rubber stamp the appointments if the Senate is the same party as the president.

[–] sudneo@lemm.ee 6 points 6 hours ago

Just FYI this is not just an American thing. In Italy for example the President of the republic can cancel or amend sentences too, and it does happen relatively often, although not in the same partisan way as in the US (but that's also because the president in Italy is a neutral and representative position).

Some example from few years ago when the president graced 33 people (each with a specific articulated motivation) https://www.ilpost.it/2021/12/10/mattarella-grazia-sette-persone-sebastian-oberleteir-heinrich/ (in Italian, but you can translate if you wish).

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

My best understanding is that it was a historic right of kings, governors, etc. The idea was to show mercy to those who may have been convicted wrongly, or to people convicted of laws that have been overturned.

Trump is abusing it in ways never done before to payback political supporters.

TBF Biden abused it as well in pardoning his son.

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Sounds like a rule that very much should have been left in the 17th century

[–] owl@infosec.pub 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Wasn't there a situation where he did not pardon his son?

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Same situation, he just waited until later in his presidency