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The vote is over.
I want them to feel pressured to change before the next vote, so we don't end up in the situation again.
By defending them, you are giving them carte blanche to do whatever. I understand your point and they are the same views I held before the vote. Now it's over, they lost and they are to blame for it. You are using the voters as a scapegoat.
They represent us, we need to tell them to listen to us instead of saying they did nothing wrong. Honestly, the people that didn't vote this year aren't going to next time if it's literally the exact same game.
It feels like we are at an impasse because you keep saying the non-voters fucked up, which I agree with, but I'm just saying the dems behavior created that fuck up and the real blame is on them. The non-voters know they fucked up and don't need to be told about it, but the dems seems to think it's everyone's fault but theirs.
By defending them, you are giving the voters carte blanche to do whatever.
What? I've only seen the opposite. The non-voters are doubling down and refusing any shred of blame. They're blaming everyone else.
Yes there is blame on both sides, but we're not in a message board with Democratic leadership, we're here with the voters. Laying the blame on Democrats doesn't actually present them with that criticism, it just absolves the non-voters (who very much are not acknowledging their share of the blame).
Letters to your representatives, or protests at their events, are productive venues for levying your criticism at them. I would never recommend blaming the voters at those venues, because that might make the representatives feel absolved of blame.
Likewise, forums and message boards of voters are not a productive venue to lay blame on the DNC, since that absolves the voters of their share of blame. Now if you want to acknowledge the fault of non-voters, while encouraging them, actively, to contact their representatives with their criticisms, that's fine. But just shouting the flaws of the DNC, on a platform the DNC leadership is not using, is counterproductive.
If most of the population blames them, they will know about it. It's a lot more productive to get that kind of energy going then blaming voters 4 years before the next election.
Also, voters do have carte blanche, that's literally an integral part of voting. It's up to political parties to not force their hands by building a dead baby machine in the middle east (again).
I also think the amount of protesters and letters to congress diminishes rapidly if everyone gets convinced it wasn't the dems fault.
I understand your point and I agree with it for the most part, I just don't think it's a productive position to hold in the current context.
I think it's the only productive position. Suit your message to your goal, and your audience. You said the non-voters already know they fucked up, which is diametrically opposed to all the evidence I see. They're putting all the blame on Dems, ignoring the fact of the greater evil, and comforting themselves that they themselves are virtuous and blameless because they refused to vote for genocide.
I'm not seeing an active call to actually direct that criticism at the Dems themselves, it's just a virtue-signal circle jerk.
Again, I'm all for directing criticism directly toward the people at fault. Both the non-voters and Democratic leadership are at fault here. I will direct my criticism of Democrats to the Democrats, and my criticism of non-voters to non-voters. I won't let either of them shirk their share of the responsibility by criticizing the one to the other, that way encourages complacency.