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[–] vegantomato@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (11 children)

I support blocking Facebook and X from the EU for the same reason.

[–] transitinoir@slrpnk.net 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I support blocking commercial, proprietary and centralized social media everywhere.

[–] vegantomato@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I don't like to be that guy, however if we play with your idea, there are some issues you will need to consider.

Centralization If we ban centralization then IRC, Signal, Xenforo, vBulletin, you name it will be forbidden as well. There is a reason why we always see some degree of centralization. Federation is tricky to get right from a technical point of view. Even when you have federation, each unit in that "web" will usually have a centralized moderation team and administration.

Proprietary Sometimes, spam/abuse is fought with the help of obscurity. In other words, service providers will hide exactly how they detect spam to prevent spammers from adapting and bypass their technique. Even Signal does this. They have a small proprietary piece of code, specifically designed to fight spam/abuse. The rest of their code is open source as far as I know. Can you suggest a comparable alternative?

Commercial Do you mean that they at most should be non-profit? And if so, why?

[–] transitinoir@slrpnk.net 2 points 16 hours ago

If we ban centralization then IRC, Signal, Xenforo, vBulletin

Signal is not social media, IRC is an open protocol, isn't it? I do not know about the rest.

Even when you have federation, each unit in that “web” will usually have a centralized moderation team and administration.

I do not have a problem with that. The problem with centralized social media is that users are locked in to using some specific app because all their friends are there, which makes it harder to switch. This gives monopolies like Facebook an unfair advantage.

Can you suggest a comparable alternative?

I dunno, how Lemmy does this?

Do you mean that they at most should be non-profit? And if so, why?

Yes I mean that. For-profit social media profits from increasing user engagement, even if that means through getting people addicted, intentionally not dealing with misinformation (because misinformation is usually more outrageous and gets people more engaged), data collection and other unethical practices, all because shareholders need the line to go up.

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