Bro did you even read the wiki article you linked, idiot. It talks about how numerous agencies/new outlets confirmed his research that there exists an ongoing genocide, detention, and sterilization programs of Uyghurs. The article goes into detail on how Zenz is the target of multiple misinformation campaigns to cover up his research. However, it also notes that you are in part right because he is exaggerating the numbers. (At least your dense, mush brained ass got one part slightly right)

From the UN’s Report on Xinjiang, 2022

Serious human rights violations have been committed in XUAR… the underlying acts often directly or indirectly affect Uyghur and other predominantly Muslim communities

The report goes onto state how Uyghur’s are placed in detention camps with terrible conditions where forced surgeries, sexual violence, and torture have been reported. (VIII, 145)

Multiple times the report states Uyghur’s are being stripped of their liberties in the region.

Why are you citing a source that doesn’t even reflect your claim 🤡 Learn to read, better luck next time

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Please read the entire article and don't just cheery pick the things that fit your pre-conceived notions

Stop moving the goalposts, my claim is that their is no genocide, the only source you quote alleges serious human rights violations, that while obviously terrible(and I condemn them, just as I condemn the US's similar but greater and larger in scale abuses committed at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, CIA blacksites etc), are not synonymous with genocide

Which sources on that page present evidence of genocide? if any such source exists why didn't you quote them?

[–] alcibiades@lemm.ee 0 points 51 minutes ago (1 children)

Read the UN’s definition of genocide and tell me this doesn’t fit the bill.

Why are you trying to argue the semantics of what’s happening to the Uyghurs? It’s a brain dead thing to argue and is also as you say “moving the goalposts” from your original claim which was “there is no genocide taking place.” + you’re wrong

Get a grip man

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 2 points 28 minutes ago* (last edited 8 minutes ago) (1 children)

I agree with the UN when they concluded that there is no genocide in Xinjiang

From the UN definition you supplied, one of condition that needs to be met;

A mental element: the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group

So lets compare the fabrication with a real genocide such as the ongoing one in Gaza, they're are numerous statements from the Israeli government that declare such a genocidal intent, such as "Gazan civilians participated in the horrific events of October 7" "there are no innocent civilians there"

"I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly." - Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant

And here's a database of 500 statements of genocidal intent from Israeli government leaders

I'll repeat I don't deny that China has committed human rights abuses, but I concur with the UN OHCR that they fall far, far short of the definition legal and otherwise, of genocide

For this one condition to meet the definition, could you provide sources that show such a callous and widespread intent to wipe the Uyghurs off the face off the earth from the Chinese government similar to those from Israeli state for it's current genocide of Palestinians in Gaza?

[–] alcibiades@lemm.ee 0 points 8 minutes ago* (last edited 7 minutes ago)

Good intel on Israel, thanks?

Let me make sure I’m reading this right, but the only way for you to accept a modern day genocide if the perpetrator of the genocide comes out with the same statements as Israeli leaders? That’s awfully narrow and rather off topic tbh.

The UN is reporting that the “anti-terrorist” laws in China are being abused in order to target a specific group of people and make their lives horrible. But I guess since their genocide is under the guise of “anti-terrorism” and China’s Minister of Defense didn’t call Uyghurs animals it doesn’t count.

And what “fabrication” are you talking about. Are you trying to deny that the Uyghurs aren’t being targeted?

For one condition could you provide a source that shows how Uyghurs are living perfectly peaceful lives without any genocidal intentions against them.