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[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I did form my own opinion on the distro, I recommended it to people for years and did their it work for free... that's how I know it's horrible for every possible usecase, why do you like it?

[–] john89@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's basically a pre-configured Arch. I've used it exclusively for years without issues unique to Manjaro.

I've heard of endeavoros. I haven't tried it and seeing their website used to describe it as a "command-line centric" distro made me avoid it.

I don't see any reason to switch from Manjaro if I want another distro to function the same. The problems the community has with it are irrelevant to me, and frankly, seem like a bunch of crybabies jumping at the opportunity to shit on a popular distro that focuses on making things easy for users.

[–] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Ease of use is EXACTLY my issue with manjaro, as someone who has serviced 5 separate people, they have all managed to break it with their limited experience, without doing anything strange at all, in ways that have been increasingly difficult to fix, i eventually had them all switch.

You've been lucky, if you use something like bazzite, you'll literally never have any issues even if you try, let me give you an example of something that might happen if you use nvidia

each linux package is version numbered, instead of just having a "linux" like arch does, manjaro insists you have linux49 installed, and that you use their gui kernel replacer to change them out.

If you have the nvidia package installed, and don't update for a very long time, eventually, this linux package will be one that's out of date, and will conflict with the nvidia one, meaning now your machine can't update, without some lengthy maintenance, this was something i had to do literally dozens of times. There is no chance an inexperienced user could figure this out for themselves. I essentially had to rdd the nvidia package, update, reinstall it, and it took hours.

There are many other examples of this, manjaro is a pre-configured arch, sure, but it's an extremely poorly pre-configured arch, endeavoros is command-line centric, sure, but you can just use the gui in the same way you can with manjaro, arch is just a cli-centric OS. If you don't like the CLI, I highly recommend bazzite, you'll never have any of these issues, updates will be automatic and easy to rollback, the system will be entirely unbreakable unless you try very very hard.

"It just works" is precisely the problem with manjaro, it doesn't just work, ease of use is not a valid usecase for manjaro for so many reasons.

https://github.com/arindas/manjarno read this document for all their insane security failings.

That's not even going into the fact that they use the AUR and don't push it back two weeks while also pushing back the arch packages two weeks, which accomplishes literally nothing, and also causes aur packages to break things regularly.

These kinds of issues are not something I would ever recommend for someone who wants something easy to use. If you want something pre-configured, I assure you, you do not want arch, that defeats the very purpose and the very usecase of that distro.

My entire focus is finding distros that are exceptionally easy to use for people, because I give linux to the elderly and i'm trying to increase the usernumbers, recommending manjaro is an absolute no for that. I actually had less maintenance when I was giving people arch setup with just archinstall kde and discover.

Furthermore, if people hated "easy for user" distros, why are they not shitting on linux mint? Or bazzite? It's quite possible that you've just chosen a bad distro and been lucky with your maintenance needs.