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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is kind-of silly.

We will 100% be using AI to generate papers now and in the future. If the AI can catch any wrong conclusions or misleading interpretations, that would be helpful.

Not using AI to help you write at this point is you wasting valuable time.

[–] theluddite@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I do a lot of writing of various kinds, and I could not disagree more strongly. Writing is a part of thinking. Thoughts are fuzzy, interconnected, nebulous things, impossible to communicate in their entirety. When you write, the real labor is converting that murky thought-stuff into something precise. It's not uncommon in writing to have an idea all at once that takes many hours and thousands of words to communicate. How is an LLM supposed to help you with that? The LLM doesn't know what's in your head; using it is diluting your thought with statistically generated bullshit. If what you're trying to communicate can withstand being diluted like that without losing value, then whatever it is probably isn't meaningfully worth reading. If you use LLMs to help you write stuff, you are wasting everyone else's time.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I agree. You can see this in all AI generated stuff - none of it has any purpose, no intention.

People who say it's saving them time, I mean I have to ask what these people are doing that can be replaced by AI and whether they're actually any good at it, and whether the AI has improved their work or just made it happen faster at the expense of quality.

I have turned off all predictive writing of any kind on my devices, it gets in my head and stops me from forming my own thoughts. I want my authentic voice and I can't stand the idea of a machine prompting me with its own idea of what I want to say.

Like... we're prompting the AI, but are they really prompting us?

[–] theluddite@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Amen. In fact, I wrote a whole thing about exactly this -- without an LLM! Like most things I write, it took me many hours and evolved many times, but I take pleasure in communicating something to the reader, in the same way that I take pleasure in learning interesting things reading other people's writing.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is an LLM supposed to help you with that?

I have it read and review a couple paragraphs of a research article, many many times, to create a distribution of what was likely said in those paragraphs, in a tabular format. I'll also work with it to create an outline of an idea I'm working on to keep me focused, and help develop my research plan. I'll then ask it to drill down into each sub-point and give me granular points to focus on. Obviously, I'm steering, but its not too difficult to use it in such a way that it creates a scaffolding for you to work from.

If you use LLMs to help you write stuff, you are wasting everyone else’s time.

If you aren't using LLMs to help you write stuff, you are wasting your own time.

[–] theluddite@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I don't think that sounds like a good way to make a good paper that effectively communicates something complex, for the reasons in my previous comment.

[–] Laticauda@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not using AI to help you write at this point is you wasting valuable time.

Bro WHAT are you smoking. In academia the process of writing the paper is just as important as the paper itself, and in creative writing why would you even bother being a writer if you just had an ai do it for you? Wasting valuable time? The act of writing it is inherently valuable.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Bro gotta get that shit out. Not doing the work to jerk off to the process.