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Wasnt Biden supposed to be the lesser of two evils last time? How's that working out for you?
A hell of alot better than if 45 was still in office.
Two major wars with nuclear armed states, one with an actual genocide.
Are you proud of yourself for supporting genocide?
So what are you suggesting? Vote for Trump?
I really dont know what in the fuck they are suggesting, they sound like a Russian shill trying to derail the rising tide of Class Conciousness in America by encouraging leftists to not vote, allowing the mask off fascist Republicans to win. They would apparently rather be ideologically pure and let the fascists win, than pinch their nose and vote for the lesser of two evils and maintain the status quo where large swaths of the population are actively waking up to the hypocrisies of our Capitalist system. Either way they reek of astroturf and are extremely disingenuous, and have completely ignored the onus i set for them to explain what happened in Italy and Germany when fascist took control there, because they dont give a shit and just want to see America burn. They dont give a damn about the Prolitariat.
Are you proud of yourself for arguing in bad faith?
And 45 being in power would have made it all better and would have supprorted Freeing Palestine. /s Give me a fuxking break. Implying that i support Genocide is ridiculous, I've attended 2 Free Palestine marches in D.C. so far, have written the president to voice my opposition to the funding of Israel, and contacted my Representative. What have you done besides engaging in whataboutism on the internet? Biden sucks, but implying that voting for him and/or supporting dems in the midterms is supporting Genocide is assinine especially when you factor the right wanting to commit Genocide on trans folk in the US. You are supporting Genocide by not voting for the lesser of 2 evils you self-righteous internet sjw. Touch grass and engage in Praxis if you actually care.
Anyone who supports Genocide Jim Crow Joe Biden is a genocide supporter. It's that simple.
And then supported him regardless. This is just performative bullshit for you to attempt to salve your conscience. You are complicit in genocide by directly supporting Joe Biden.
The right? Are you trying to claim that the Dems are not "the right"? So your concern is for a tiny fraction of a tiny percentage of the world's population, rather than the millions who are murdered by America worldwide? At least you admit it. American lives are worth multiples of other humans, right? Scumbag.
So I would love to know. Would voting for either no one or a third party be a big “fuck you joe!” with no real world consequences? Is that seriously your belief?
Voting for one of two given candidates is far from actually directly supporting someone. You do not know what they did before the generals. Who they supported in the primaries. Unless you are literally out there plotting the coup to outdo all the coups of mankind and not idly sitting complaining online, then you have zero room to attack someone for voting for the less of two evils.
Unless, of course, you believe Trump would have somehow done better or prevented this. The guy saying he would remove all the Palestinians from the US. The guy that the creators and backers of Project 2025 wants to be their guy
And quit it with the “a tiny percentage of people is better than _____”. For one, well over a million people is not just some group to throw to the side to support another group and you’re literally doing the same thing you’re accusing this person of doing. Second, if you think that trans people by themselves are the only target of all that nonsense, then you are seriously incorrect.
Your hands would be clean of blood and you can say you didn't participate in the charade that led to the deaths of millions.
It's literally supporting one of them. That's what it is. Participating in the American regime's phony processes legitimises them.
I don't care. There's no air between them. Biden took all of Trump's policies and made them worse. You don't care about the policies, just the personalities.
This is literally your logic, remember? The lesser of two evils?
Are the other targets Americans too? If so, fuck them, the vast majority of Americans support its continued existence.
Alright, continue believing this nonsense. Again, unless you are actively working on a massive coup to destroy this system, then all of your talk and nonsense is going to do nothing to help anyone.
There isn’t one major political group in the entire world that you standing up by doing nothing does anything about. Not one.
And again, you call for the attack of other people in order to save another, which is exactly what you accused him of.
All you've got are some shit excuses to support a genocidal regime that's killed and displaced tens of millions around the world and continues to do so today.
Doing nothing as you call it is the only moral choice in the context of American "democracy".
That's your shtick, not mine. I said to "do nothing" remember? Can't even be consistent in a single comment.
No, you are suggesting that their support of one group is an attack on others. Your position is that is wrong.
You proceed to say “fuck em” about Americans who are under threat of attack. Which is a contradiction of your beliefs, at least if you take it at face value. You provide no other context and appear to be of the position that American suffering (individuals, not the regime. We can agree the regime needs to be destroyed) is of no consequence to you.
It’s a shame that both sides of us have to just jump to attacking each other instead of the much larger target that we BOTH agree needs to be dismantled. Much more could be done. This whole “left vs liberal” thing is such a waste of time.
That’s my point. Instead of attacking them, talk to them. Share your opinions, but don’t do it in some “I know more than you” and “I know what your beliefs are” type of way. None of us know each other outside of the little pieces of text we post here.
The USA has killed millions of innocent people in the past decade alone. How is this wrong?
Those millions of people are killed in their name and not only do they not do anything about it, they actively make excuses that if they don't enable the genocides, then they'll be killed instead, the epic cowards.
No, not those complicit in American genocides, you for example and the vast majority of other Americans. Was every Nazi in WW2 completely aware of everything they were enabling? Probably not, do we still think they should be eliminated? Well? Do you?
You're a Joe Biden supporter. You deserve it.
Your entire thesis here is just excuse making to support a genocidal regime. We have nothing in common.
They have no desire to accomplish anything other than being ideologically pure and zero desire to engage in good faith dialogue, i blocked em.
So you are just an internet sjw that does zero real world praxis, talk about peformative, lmao.
You know absolutely nothing about me, I on the other hand know that you're a genocidal scumbag and a supporter of the USA.
Duuurrr
Yikes, dude. Maybe don't use nazi terminology???
lol, somehow he believes that if you had voted for Trump none of this would have happened and Trump who is suggesting we remove all Palestinians from the US would have handled this better.
And seemingly also believes that had you done nothing it would have been a more powerful statement. Right, because allowing Trump to win would have been a good “fuck you” to Biden without any real world consequences.
Unless these people are out there plotting the coup of the history of mankind and not just idly complaining on the internet, then they need to just stop.
Oh, then proceeds to come up with some “trans lives don’t matter when compared to _____” or “you care more about ____ than _____?” Again, quit it.
Fucking right?! If the dude isn't being purpously disingenuous to derail democracy in America, its honestly sad.
What praxis do you do outside of electoralism?
Ive attended multi protests/marches and have made a plethora of memes that spread class conciousness. However the onus isn't on me to give my praxis bonafides when I'm not the one encouraging civicdisengagement. What praxis havd you practiced?
I'm literally advocating more political engagement, "you've got to vote to prevent fascism" is a lie, you've got to do a hell of a lot more than protesting and voting and making memes.
How are you building power?
Underneath a meme I made while shitting, youre welcome. If you dont understand how building class conciousness isn't synonymous with building power, all i can tell you is that you need to read more theory.
This meme doesn't build class consciousness though
Never said it did, its encouraging political engagement, which you are actively discouraging by disparaging the Electoral system, which is a tool to stave off fascism long enough for class conciousness to build.
It literally isn't, and it has never worked as one. What historical examples are you basing this on? How many books have you actually read on the subject?
What books would you recommend?
I would start with the "economy and class structure of german fascism", "The capital order" goes into how neoliberalism is connected to fascisms modern resurgence.
I'll see if my library has em, but i am very well aware of how Neoliberalism is connected to fascism from what I have read on marxists.org I just dont agree with abstaining/denegrating the electoral process to remain ideologically pure. Criticism is great, but discouraging voter turn out in leftist spaces does nothing but accelerate mask off fascism from returning to power ie. The 2016 election.
Also relative to the Dems the Republicans are right, you absolute ham sandwich. I'll vote for a Neoliberal all damn day to fight mask off fascism that the Republican party is championing.
Lol, okay?
You know it's okay to refuse to take part in a crooked system instead off getting blood on your hands, right?
No it isnt, allowing tge Republicans to win would quite literally stain my hands with the blood of my trans Comrades. Your whataboutisms are pathetic, glad you are privileged enough to not have to worry about mask off fascism taking control in America. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils still reduces the amount of evil in the world.
Why are you appropriating left wing terms to try justify your genocide? How many of the tiny percentage of humanity is American? And what percentage of those are trans? And of those, what percentage are "comrades", do they support genocide too?
You're just making up excuses for your white supremacism.
It literally doesn't you ignorant Nazi removed. It just papers over the cracks.
The only moral choice you have is to stop supporting the USA.
Furthermore you are a shite internet SJW you haven't posted an ounce of OC. I'm an internet sjw myself, dont get me wrong, but at least I post OC. Have you ever had an original thought? Or do you just puppet what gets upvoted on Lemmygrad...