The war exists because Russia invaded. You can’t have a “peace agenda” or “conditions for peace” until someone started a war in the first place, and that was Russia.

[–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The war only started in 2021 if you ignore the fact that fascist Nazi militias were shelling civilians and civilian infrastructure in eastern Ukraine for 7 years before Russia launched its SMO. There were two ceasefire agreements signed (Minsk 1 & Minsk 2) that these militias consistently violated. If you don't believe me, you're welcome to see for yourself. A French journalist documented this and spoke to residents about the ongoing conflict. CW: death and devastation.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Get ready to be told that Russia should just walk all their troops back and that'd be peace achieved (bombing in the Donbas doesn't count, apparently, because it's the good Nazis doing it), like a fucking toddler's concept of geopolitics.

[–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 6 days ago

History ended in 1991 and started up again 30 years later. Everything in between doesn't count.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I don't believe your position can be honest. It basically says all bar fights are started by the one throwing first punch, no matter what threats are made. All US media and CIA subterfuge to corrupt democracies is not done for the benefit of the democracies. War on Russia is largely a US war on its allies, and tolerance for the concept that Russia is not forced to defend its existence, or have red lines where peace can thrive, just shows how corrupt and fooling democracy can be. Not that Ukraine is a democracy.