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[–] Ciderpunk@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I’m not sure what the point of this considering that I am specifically calling you out for refusing to admit Russia is doing an imperialism and your deflection is to say that Japan did an imperialism. Is that supposed to make Russia all clear to do an imperialism?

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 days ago

admit Russia is doing an imperialism

The very fact that you treat imperialism like an action and not a system shows that you don't have even the minimum possible of understanding of what it is.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It seems you didn’t read what I linked to, so I’ll copypasta:

<octopus_ink> Honest question from a non-communist, based on your reply here. Does one need to support Putin to be a Marxist?

<davel> In a word, no. In a few more words, support for Russia (not Putin, as historical materialists don’t subscribe to great man theory) is only a partial, temporary, tactical one, in the context of imperialist liberation. Russia is still a capitalist state, though, so it’s a two stage strategy: first liberate colonized bourgeois states from colonizer states, and second revolution within those liberated bourgeois states.

Russia is an interesting case: it has already liberated itself from the post-Soviet “shock therapy” neocolonizers. This occurred during Putin’s administration, which is why he is especially hated by the US. So now the support for Russia is in the context of keeping the colonizers from recolonizing it, and supporting Russia to the extent that it helps other states liberate themselves. But Russia isn’t trying to “liberate” Ukraine, at least not all of Ukraine. It’s trying to resolve the genocidal attacks on the people of the Donbas, and it’s trying to resolve the imperialist military expansion at its border.

[–] Ciderpunk@lemmy.world -5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Still hinging literally everything on Donbas not being externally caused I see. As long as you cover up interference in other countries, it’s fine to use that as pretext to invade and do whatever you want.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So Donbas was externally caused because... we should trust you that it was?

But Ukraine's 2014 coup wasn't externally caused because... it was different from all the other times the US deposed a government, since this time they put congresspeople like John McCain on the ground? Even US, anti-Russian sources recognize it as fact.

At this point you have to be deliberately dodging the evidence to not recognize what's going on.