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[–] victorz@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It does not, but this happening for one election doesn't prove an unstable ratio, or rate of change. You have to look at the historical pattern for that.

I don't think this is the problem of some sort of "phenomenon" of a left party becoming the right party because people are voting for the "lesser evil". That makes no sense to begin with. If everyone voted for the lesser evil (the left), the lesser evil would not feel the need to take on some evil from the right to please the American people who are voting with their rectums, dropping straight up doo-doo in their ballot boxes. They would be able to just have sane politics. No? Otherwise, why are they doing some evil? And why is the right doing a shit-ton of evil? It's because they are playing the American people for fools. Exploiting their culture of "protect our land of the fReE" and their "black or white" argumentation and "we vs them", "good versus evil", "no gray areas" small brain mentality.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

For one election?

Which of GWB's rightward policies did Obama undo? Which of Reagan/Bush's policies did Clinton undo?

You're defending a rightward shift that has been going on for decades.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think you're misinterpreting and down voting based on that. I'm not defending anything. I just don't believe this is some kind of theorem. It's just a problem with politics in America.

And I don't know enough to make any claims about the history. I'm merely saying we have to look at the history to make any claims. This type of theorem can't be based on one election. That's all I'm saying.

You seem to know more about policies and shit that I don't know about (I'm European). So that's very insightful, and interesting.

It's a shame the American people are voting right and/or settling for a right-ified left, instead of just forming a better party with better politics. 🤷‍♂️

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And I don’t know enough to make any claims about the history. I’m merely saying we have to look at the history to make any claims. This type of theorem can’t be based on one election. That’s all I’m saying.

How convenient that you only know one election when I bring up the previous two cycles of the phenomenon I described, but up until this moment, you were certain that this one election was a fluke.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't think I made any claims that this was a fluke. If so, it wasn't meant to be received as such. I'm merely saying that one election is not enough to go on. "WE NEED TO LOOK AT MORE DATA." And you seem to have more data, so that's great. We're not on opposite sides of an argument there, BTW, just so we're clear. I'm having a conversation with you. Let's not get hostile. 👍

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don’t think I made any claims that this was a fluke. If so, it wasn’t meant to be received as such. I’m merely saying that one election is not enough to go on.

And now that I've cited multiple elections, can we put that "we only have one election" thing to bed?

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I thought I already tried to do that but yes, definitely. I still don't think there's proof of this being a verifiable concept as shown in this image though.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Do you suppose genocide has always been something Democrats were so eager to support?

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No I do not. I don't think they support genocide either, but they do support a country committing genocide, which is absolutely disgusting too. But I'm perhaps splitting hairs there.

Do you think they support a country committing genocide because people are voting for them? Or vice versa.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

No I do not. I don’t think they support genocide either, but they do support a country committing genocide, which is absolutely disgusting too. But I’m perhaps splitting hairs there.

I make no distinction between the two, and I consider your hair splitting to be an attempt to downplay it.

Do you think they support a country committing genocide because people are voting for them?

I think they support genocide regardless of who voted for them. I think they do so for the sheer love of it. If you support genocide you lose the benefit of the doubt.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

I consider your hair splitting to be an attempt to downplay it

Please don't. Me admitting to hair splitting is meant to show how much I despise supporting either one. 👍

I think they support genocide regardless of who voted for them.

So in that case, we agree "voting for the lesser evil" has nothing to do with it, then. 👍