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[–] b34k@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think it’s a little more than $500 to get Ethernet ports installed all around your house. Especially if you need to run through fire breaks and insulation. Will have to wait till a remodel before I can get those installed.

That said, I didn’t skimp on my home networking, even though it’s all wireless. I’ve got 4 WiFi 6 APs on PoE with Cat 6 runs thru the attic. I can get 700 Mbs+ download speeds pretty much anywhere in and around the house.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It could be, depending on where you land on the DIY vs building code spectrum.... Also what your local building code details in terms of low voltage cable.

In my experience unless you're intentionally going through air handling ductwork, CMG is fine, though I would go with CMR at least, just as a matter of safety. I have yet to see a residential home with any fire protection or fire breaks, at all, nevermind where you would think to put them, like between floors and whatnot. The homes in my area are mostly built from timber, so we're basically living inside a framework of dried out wood, so putting a fire break between wood framed floors where the floor/ceiling shares a set of wooden cross members for support, seems like it would be unnecessary, since the framing of the building is going to conduct the fire between levels.

Ethernet is low voltage, so it's largely unregulated. The only real regulation is regarding plenum or riser spaces, and the latter is mostly when floors are intentionally or naturally separated in terms of shared fate when it comes to fire. I only see fire breaks in concrete structures, usually apartments or commercial buildings.

YMMV, not every country has the same building codes, so every person reading this will need to do their own research or pay someone who knows.

My point remains, regardless of all this conjecture: even if it's $2000 or more, this is structure cabling that should service the premise for as long as it continues to stand, which is hopefully many decades. Over 20 years, at $2000 for installation, you're looking at a cost of around $8.34/mo for the cabling to exist.

Considering people will pay 10x that for Internet service, and the addition of Ethernet in the building will allow them to take full advantage of the internet they're paying for, I'd call that a bargain.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You will generally run into fire stops in the framing, like you can see here:

https://www.oneprojectcloser.com/fire-stops-fire-blocking-in-studs/

When I ran wires to my office, I had to cut out one section of drywall above it, another below it, and then use a right angle attachment for my drill to go through it. Pull wire through and seal it with fire block foam.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Seems pointless considering the fire stop is made from something flammable.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Its purpose is to slow it down, not stop it. There would be a chimney effect where smoke rises out of the channel and fresh oxygen is allowed to come in from below. The blocks here prevent that from happening.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oh, I'm not saying it's not functional in stone capacity. I understand the physics and what is trying to be accomplished with it, but unless it's done with pretty tight tolerance so any air leakage between the upper and lower spaces is as close to nil as possible, then it's not going to be super effective.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Dude, this is standard framing that's been done for ages and is in tons of houses in the US. It works, and it's mandated by code for a reason.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago

I'm not disputing any of that. I'm just saying that it seems like it wouldn't work super well.

I'm just some guy on the internet. I'm expecting an opinion. I don't wish to suggest we should do away with it because it's probably not the most helpful thing we could do; not at all. Keep it, use it, be happy and hold a parade.

I still think that it's not as effective as it could be because you'll always have air leak, and probably enough that putting a small hole in a fire break to run a cable probably won't make things much worse.

Code says you have to seal it, so that's what you'd be obligated to do. I'm only questioning if there's better options that would be more effective. That's all.