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I'll take you at your word that these are the 3 things that you're most uncomfortable with.
I sincerely hope that these are the three most problematic things, because if true, China really would be nearly a utopia, and I sincerely want such a place to exist.
Considering the 2nd point came with the precondition that you think it's a problem that is solving itself, and the third is that China isn't projecting its power enough globally, there is only one outstanding issue for the proletariat being that the economy isn't centrally planned enough.
With full sincerity I guess if this is your biggest gripe, I don't know how I reconcile that personally with China's current and historical trend of net negative migration.
It's probably clear to you by now, but I am not an expert on China, but I am absorbing and am curious of your perspective.
To me, it appears like with such a rosy view but negative net migration, there must be a reason that statistically speaking, more people would rather leave the system than join it. In the same way that we can hypothesize the existence of a celestial body we haven't directly observed by it's gravitational effects on what we know, I wonder why we see net negative migration if there are essentially by your view no material unaddressed issues for the working class?
And I genuinely am asking this question in good faith. I'll accept with respect any answer you give. In your view is it a global smear campaign that holds people back from migrating or something? Are the people who leave being seduced by false promises? Do you live in China, and if not, what's holding you back?
Because I'll say, you and I could comisserate extensively on the failings of western capitalism. I could easily lay out 50 significant issues with the societal organization of most western capitalist democracies. I'm sure you could too. That you only really see one significant unaddressed issue, regardless of if I agree with it, is compelling.
The PRC has fairly strict requirements for immigrating, and not as strict for emmigrating. Pretty clear cut. I will say, the PRC is no utopia. It is, however, continuously improving, and I believe that's by nature of it being a country led by Communists, rather than Capitalists.