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[–] demesisx@infosec.pub 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (85 children)

I can’t believe how many shitlibs there are in here, using this opportunity to guilt people with an actual conscience into voting for this piece of shit as if he has some sort of moral high ground.

What is the lesser evil when both the DNC and the GOP work directly for the exact same military industrial complex?

The real villain here is the system that makes any party outside of the two party system completely irrelevant: first-past-the-post.

We have two Republican parties. One of them just so happens to pretend better at being inclusive..but they secretly also wish that the poor could be burned to fuel their mega-yachts.

[–] thilo@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (25 children)

This is nonsense. MAGA is a fascist movement. Don't let both being neo-liberal blind you.

[–] cosecantphi@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

And yet the United States continues to slide into fascism despite having elected Biden. What horrific Trump era policies did the Democrats even bother to repeal after they won in 2020 and held both the senate and the house?

They are still funding the construction of border wall segments. They never repealed the Republican tax cuts. They have done nothing about the concentration camps on the southern border for fuck's sake. They never codified Roe v. Wade, we literally lost the right to abortions while Biden was in office. They could have stacked the supreme court but they didn't.

The Democrats and the Republicans form an obfuscated one party system in the US. Republican leadership aggressively ramps up the oppression of marginalized people, then Democratic leadership does nothing to restore our rights nor proactively prevent the same thing from happening again. Instead they just use their time in office to suck all of the energy out of people's movements that could actually effect change.

And much more importantly than all of that, Republicans and Democrats are virtually identically evil when it comes to foreign policy. When the US is dropping bombs on you and destroying your country, you'll tend not to care whether it was a Red MAGA or Blue MAGA administration pulling the trigger.

In some specific cases it might be worthwhile to vote for Democrats in local elections where there exists much more leeway for politicians to stray from the party line, but voting for them in national elections is just lending your voice to legitimizing their bullshit good cop/bad cop routine they play with the Republicans.

[–] thilo@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, that is a feature of democratic systems. Parties want to get voted in. So they bend their programs to achieve that goal. I live in Germany and here all parties are leaning further and further to the right, since the AfD (nationalist-conservative, some party members Neo-nazi) party is gaining in almost every poll.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If all that was at play here was mere democracy, we'd have an M4A candidate. The population is solidly to the left of either party on the majority of issues, but they get no voice because liberal democracy is an exercise in choosing between the options that capitalists have picked for you.

[–] thilo@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is much less snappy than it is grammatically ambiguous.

[–] thilo@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let me rephrase: "Your echochamber is"

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could I interest you in adding a direct object to the sentence?

[–] thilo@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Your bubble/echo-chamber is solidly to the left of either party on the majority of issues. The bulk of the population is mostly fine with or approving of a right-shift in media policy.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know what you're on about wrt "media policy" but I'm not saying Americans are communists. It's been demonstrated in survey after survey that social-democratic positions are generally the most popular.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Exactly. Literally every poll confirms this. But they aren't interested in facts. They're only into Facts and Logic(tm)

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The bulk of the population doesn't give a shit about any of this lol

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