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Quote: "We must teach Israel a lesson, and we will do it again and again. The Al-Aqsa Deluge [the name Hamas gave its 7 October onslaught - ed.] is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth. Will we have to pay a price? Yes, and we are ready to pay it. We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs."

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[–] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You pretty much took one part out of context and placed into your own way.

Hamas was created because Israel kept pushing Palestinian out of their own homeland. 4 Palestinian people died in 1987 by an Israeli driver, due to that Palestinian people started to uprising because Israel occupation.

“Hamas need to go”? How about let Israel stop with their genocide, stealing land, homes and the purpose murdering of men, women and children?

Realize if Israel didn’t steal everything from Palestinian people this entire thing wouldn’t have happened. Hamas wouldn’t have been created, Palestinian people would’ve been living in peace.

Curious question to you; what would you do if Israel stole your land, homes and murdered your entire family and friends - with the world’s presidents just staring?

Don’t get me wrong both sides are wrong, both kill innocent people. I condemn both. But it started when Israel stole land, that’s the start of the tragedy.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I'm not disputing any of that. I agree that Israel is who created this conflict and their actions are why extremists have gained a foothold.

To answer your question, I'd certainly want vengeance, but I don't think I'd kill innocent civilians or support violence against them. The majority of Palestinians are the same I think. I couldn't condone inflicting the same situation onto someone else unless they were directly responsible for the oppression. That's my best guess. I haven't had any experiences remotely close to it, but from what I can extrapolate, I think that would be the case.

I don't see why I can't say Israel needs to stop with the genocide and colonization and also say that Hamas needs to go. Everyone hurting and killing innocent people need to go away if there's going to be peace.

What I was saying earlier is that while the original reason for something can be pure and good, it doesn't justify extremist violence. Wanting a Jewish state so your people stop experiencing persecution is fair -- genociding Palestinians and taking their land is absolutely indefensible. Similarly, wanting independence and safety and security, and your land back from Israel, is fair -- killing innocent people and talking about killing all Jews is absolutely indefensible.

We're pretty much in agreement here, we're just talking past each other.