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[–] Pogogunner@sopuli.xyz 353 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

CEOs have not been held accountable for their actions by the legal system. This is inevitable with the way the United States is set up

[–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 183 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

If this happens to two or three more CEOs over the next couple of months, they'll change their position on gun control, not change their behaviors that made somebody do this. And "they're coming for our guns" morons would find a way to not only excuse it, but fully support it, at least at first.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 119 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

If this happens to multiple CEOs, companies will just implement secret-service style security for the C-suite. Wouldn't even be a rounding error in CEO compensation.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 weeks ago

We really are just a few years away from Cyberpunk, aren't we? I'd actually say a mix of both that, and Cloud Atlas' last timeline.

[–] islands@lemmy.cafe 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I mean having to live in a fortress and being afraid to go into a coffee shop without armed guards is no way to live... it wouldn't be a fun time for those poor, sociopathic bastards. But I guess having those extra digits in their bank accounts makes up for it?

[–] daltotron@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago

they legit just send out the interns to go get coffee, so much that it's a trope at this point. these people barely raise their own fucking kids, they don't give a shit about any of those like, minor pleasures. they have cocaine, and other rich people who are constantly willing to kiss each other's ass in a big circle, human centipede ouroborous style.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Living in fear with constant security has to be better than just treating people better, right?

[–] fubbernuckin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

They have the money to hire a 24/7 coffee shop on their private island. I don't think it's so bad for them.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 18 points 2 weeks ago

Nah, the US will just provide secret service details to any and all C level execs.

[–] daltotron@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago

they already do that shit. elon already has a pretty big security retinue and his ass almost never goes out in actual public anymore, only ever hosts private events with verified people and pretty good security. most CEOs and billionaires aren't gonna be that paranoid, but most of them don't have to be, and they already tend to live in totally different contexts than your average person.

what I'd be more interested in knowing is how this guy figured out that this particular guy was going to be outside this particular hotel at this particular time. this wasn't a crime of pure opportunity, this was something which seems like it was probably planned in advance. if it was publicly accessible where this guy was going, that's a much easier and cheaper thing for businesses and CEOs to solve, and is probably the most important part of this kind of security.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

Sounds like the miserable existence they deserve.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Absolutely this, this is a nucleation point for disarming the citizenship. Step one for a dictatorship.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

NYS has already done this, by and large.

No, I'm talking more like this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gun_control_argument

It's actually pretty easy to get a pistol in New York State as long as you get proper training and register it. Also the NYC pistol ban was struck down a couple years ago.

I'm more worried about a federal gun ban that the Trump administration can use violence like this as a justification.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 8 points 2 weeks ago

If this happens to two or three more CEOs over the next couple of months, they’ll change their position on gun control,

Say what? Nearly every CEO who is willing to talk about firearms is already pushing for more Gun Control with both their words and their money. The obvious exceptions are of course Firearm CEOs and maybe Elon Musk.

Seriously, have you ever looked at whose funding all of the Gun Control efforts and Politicians in this country? It's a veritable whose who of Democrat Billionaires and CEOs.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

NYS already banned suppressors for the plebes. Only cops can buy them in NYS. And its highly unlikely they had a NYC permit, for carry, only cops get easy NYC permits, and also C execs like this guy who pays off the right people, in the correct amounts.

So, this means, it must have been a cop that did the shooting. Because it could have been an oligarch with the legal gun, but they couldn't get a suppressor in NYS.

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can make a pistol suppressor from seamless tubing and steel wool, threaded barrels are not uncommon or controlled. You’ll be missing the booster needed for reliability, and it’s not going to be very good, but expansion chamber volume is expansion chamber volume. Reportedly the shooter had more than one malfunction, which lends credence to a DIY can, or a shitty gun.

If the goal is murder, another +15 years for NFA violations isn’t a big deterrent.

[–] daltotron@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

you could probably 3d print a booster, and use a spring, I bet. it wouldn't be reliable since it'd get hot, but I don't think there would be too big an issue with too high of pressures or anything causing it to break. alternatively, you could just go with something that doesn't use a tilting or rotating or locking barrel mechanism, like a steyr GB, or even just a hi-point, which I think is just straight blowback.

you'd also probably wanna go with a mainly wipe-based suppressor rather than one with just baffles, since you're making something that's basically disposable anyways, and those can fit into smaller packages while being more effective than something with baffles.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hell at that point you could pretty easily just 3D print the whole gun. It won't live through more than a round or two, but if that's all you need it for?

[–] daltotron@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

this is potentially true, though if there's any flexion or breakage in the 3d print material, you'd probably some underpressure in the cartridge, not that such a thing would matter much, or a more troubling lack of accuracy, which may be significant even at this distance, but probably not. both especially if you're not using hardware store parts. at a certain point, you do just kind of get into shinzo abe doohickey territory, with that sort of a thing, maybe easier just to use a couple pipes. on that note, you could also conceivably use a wipe-based suppression system with a classic hardware store four winds shotgun, OR a contained gas firing system, if you're going the probably over-complicated 3d printing route, especially if you avoid some larger pressures which are probably unnecessary.

you really don't need any advanced rifling or superior ballistics or anything, at the distance this guy was at. he could've even just used a knife, or a brick, or his hands, to be honest, especially since the CEO was not dressed in ballistic armor or protected in really any way. though I imagine the public would be somewhat less sympathetic to those methods since they're seen as kind of brutal or psychotic, even if they have the same end result.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

they'll just define "our" as "voted republican" - EZ Clap

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

So then just buy illegal guns to carry out your crimes. Problem solved.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world -4 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Are you under the impression that pro2a people are corporate shills? Lol the fuck

[–] nomous@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's funny you think they're not. They've been dick-riding manufacturers and lifestyle companies for decades. How much "Glock" or "Mossberg" merch have you seen out there? Those are eager corpo shills.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Glock and Mossberg are gun manufacturers, not health care providers...the fuck

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I implore you to learn about the history and funding of the NRA.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Lol I know exactly who pays into the NRA, they're just corporate shills now nothing more. They don't do shit for gun rights and most gun owners want them to desolve.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They are inadvertently. Corporations say the right words and the pro2a people fall in line. Look at all of the millions of citizens that voted directly against their best interests in November because they've effectively been fed messages that made them disregard what actually effects them. Obviously not all pro2a people are in this camp, but there's a lot of overlap between those folks and people getting manipulated by other rich and powerful forces.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Most pro2a people vote repub because they're the only ones that remotely say anything pro2a even though they're completely shit at it. Almost all gun owners are single issue voters. If the dems dropped the anti gun rhetoric they'd sweep elections.

[–] daltotron@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago

as a hobby, it's basically just another form of consumerism, and the culture surrounding it is not unlike that of car culture, with the same purported values. freedom, agency, maintaining control over your own life, it's all just marketing speak to drive customer traffic, and ends up being politicized only really insofar as everything must exist inside of a political context.

there are definitely advantages to having guns for certain populations, certainly, marginalized populations that are already at risk, but those populations already have more prevalent firearms use for obvious reasons, and would probably maintain higher firearms use rates regardless of legality as a result of their marginalization, where more strict gun laws won't really factor in, or rather, would be just another meaningless slap-on charge to extend sentencing.

most of your other actual pro2a people are gonna by random hobbyists, hunters, and fudds, who can't really be expected to put up any organized resistance against anything, and the other half are people who would already be a fan of any plan to march around and take away other people's guns, because they're ex-military chuds, or cops, or what have you.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 57 points 2 weeks ago

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”

Hopefully this makes all those money grubbing assholes consider how many of the millions of people they've fucked over have access to firearms and their location.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 weeks ago

There's an interesting book called Narconomics: How to run a drug cartel that goes into detail about why there's so much violence in the drug world. It all comes down to there not being a legal system where people can peacefully resolve disputes.

If Pepsi stole Coke's formula and brand name, Coke would sue them. But if a rival cartel infringes on your territory, you have no choice but to get to murdering.

Now, I don't know the motivations of why this healthcare CEO was shot - and I don't condone violence. But I will say that I see some strong parallels where it feels hopeless from a consumer point of view when dealing with insurance companies. The whole process, including the legal system, seems tailored to take away your power. So I'm not at all surprised that violence has occurred.