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[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I like how you just conveniently ignore the part about a dictator oppression.

The key word here is oppression.

A country that is closing its eyes and deserves what they're going to get is the US. In 20 or 30 years when the US is an authoritarian oppressive State then at that point the people don't have a choice, just like they don't in Russia today.

Authoritarian oppressive states don't just let the people think what they want to think. You are groomed and indoctrinated the moment you receive education until the day you die. The easiest way to control a populace is for the populace to not even know they're being controlled.

A key factor to that is limiting and restricting access to outside information. Which is what Russia does which is why the Tor project is so important

[–] froh42@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

So Germany didn't have dictator oppression in the 30s and 40s? You think we didn't have propaganda and we didn't just kill people for another opinion? And we had access to outside information?

I'm talking about a moral duty to oppose, to inform yourself in spite of all that. And I know it is not easy. We Germans failed that miserably.

The plabook Putin is playing, we've been through it and it is was what lead to WW2.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Germany also had that in the 20s, if we are being honest. It wasn't an imperfect democracy and, ahem, it's been ~35 years since USSR feeling really unwell, and ~25 years since Putin coming to power, and ~20 years since people started suspecting he's not going to leave, and ~15 years since Medvedev becoming a president and Russians splitting into the half realizing that they've just been assraped, and the half deceiving themselves with some expectations, and ~10 years since every Russian being assraped again, Crimea and Donbass.

When Hitler came to power, it was just about 10 years since finalizing the mess that happened in Germany after end of monarchy.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, the populace knows it's being oppressed. It's apathetic.

Russia is ruled by very unpleasant people, not very efficient, not very intelligent, but capable of curbing all threats to their power.

I'm confident that if ever the government in Russia changes, rooting out that mafia group will last for another century or more.