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What makes a "good vegan", and how can I be one? (feddit.online)

submitted 3 weeks ago by Binzy_Boi@feddit.online to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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Hey all,

So I recently decided to go vegan. My personal reasons for ditching animal products were because of environmental factors, animal welfare, and trying to maintain consistency with the values I hold to their logical ends.

I was curious. I've seen a lot of hate towards vegans online, admittedly being someone who partook in that several years ago myself to a small degree. While I'm glad and very lucky people I know closely have been making accommodations for me, I'm also worried about mentioning or bringing it up to people I'm getting to know since I don't want to rub them the wrong way if they possibly have these notions that being vegan and veganism are a bad thing. Namely when it's relevant in conversation like people asking me why I read ingredients lists or can't have something they're offering me, which I've been half-lying attributing to food allergies and intolerances out of worry (I'm lactose intolerant, which helps as a cop-out).

I'm wanting to know what people dislike about vegans, whether they're based on previous experiences they've had, or preconceived notions, and what would make someone a "good vegan" in their eyes. I know I shouldn't be a people-pleaser, but knowing this stuff would definitely help me gain the confidence to be more open about myself and my personal values to others who don't necessarily share said values.

Thanks in advance, I'll try to respond where possible, but it's going to be a busy day for me, though I do read all replies to posts I make.

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[–] millie@beehaw.org 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm not vegan, but I find it absolutely wild that anyone thinks being kind of annoying sometimes comes anywhere near the level of moral or ethical bankruptcy involved in being complicit in the mass torture of animals for the sake of convenience. Like, okay, yeah, it's not like we have the option of just deciding on behalf of powerful capitalists to just end factory farming. But deciding to at least try not to participate in it by changing your diet is at least something.

Don't worry about being a "good vegan" if that means having to tiptoe around the fact that the rest of us fuel immense suffering both monetarily and through social normalization. You're trying, and that's great.

[–] AndrasKrigare@beehaw.org 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just curious, why aren't you vegan if you consider it morally bankrupt to be complicit in the meat industry?

[–] millie@beehaw.org 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I quit eating meat for a year once and it was pretty shit for my mental health. I do try to avoid the worst of factory farming as much as I can, though. Organic eggs (in my state regulations on organic eggs include a number of anti-cruelty measures), minimal chicken to reduce the death to meat quantity ratio, things like that. But also, I personally don't feel as though the suffering inflicted on insect populations or rodent populations, or the damages of large scale farming, or the cruelty involved in transporting bees for pollenation are particularly okay either. I'm not really sure there's such a thing as effective veganism in modern society unless you're growing your own food at home, and I don't have the energy, financial security, or access to land for that.

Nearly every product we consume leads to suffering and destruction. I don't think being short of the point where you're willing to radically change your lifestyle means I should deny that, though, even if all my spoons tend to be spent on shit like dragging myself out of bed and ensuring air quality that triggers my asthma and allergies as little as possible.

Humans are a mess. There's a substantial cost in physical and psychological resources and energy to dwindling the impact of that mess, but there's very little cost to at least acknowledging it and advocating for growing as a species.