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[–] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I love how after all the tankie YouTube videos boasting the "superiority" of Russian arms, the S-400 and S-500, Iskander etc... we finally get to see that the entire Russian military is just vaporware.

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 57 points 1 year ago

More like vaporized ware lmao

[–] Jesus_666@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago

I mean, on paper the S-400 and S-500 were very impressive and credibly so

They just didn't turn out to be that effective in reality.

[–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At least with the air defenses the weakness that was exploited would be common to all air defense systems. It's a failure of tactics/strategy instead of a technical issue with the system.

The Ukrainians started throwing tons of cheap drones at targets and forced a dilemma: 1) Engage the drones, exhaust the air defense systems' capabilities, and then the air defense systems get targeted by cruise missiles/air strike or 2) don't engage as many drones, which lets them reach their targets.

Israel's vaunted Iron Dome system was also overwhelmed with the sheer amount of relatively cheap rockets from Gaza during the Oct 7th attacks, but obviously Hamas lacks the sophistication to follow that up with attacking the systems themselves.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

I don't think that's entirely fair, the system wasn't operating at the time of the attack. It does seem to work, it just jams absolutely everything.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's not what vaporware is...vaporware doesn't exist, it's vapor.

Russians lie about a lot, especially their military's capabilities and they have had plenty of vaporware e.g. T-95.

However...

The S-400 and Iskander are real, they just aren't as capable as described. The S-400 can't target stealth aircraft, although it can possibly track 1st gen stealth (track vs target are very different).

The Iskander is a capable ballistic missle with hypersonic speeds...just like ballistic missiles have since the 60s. But it still follows a ballistic trajectory, and is NOT capable of hypersonic maneuvering.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Overhyped systems and a combination of "it would be quite effective if someone didn't sell half its components on the black market".