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Why did Beehaw defederate from Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works for poor moderation and not lemm.ee and discuss.online? (lemmyverse.link)

submitted 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) by dipshit@lemm.ee to c/support@beehaw.org

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Seriously why? Discuss.online has horrible moderation and open-signups, and Lemm.ee isn't very much better. If lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works were completely nuked to avoid the moderation headache or risks from two large open servers, why aren't lemm.ee and discuss.online banned as well?

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[–] Gaywallet@beehaw.org 5 points 5 days ago (2 children)

This is probably worth a peek in moderator logs to see if they have an outsized amount of moderation. The two we defederated with happened when Lemmy was first exploding in size and were in direct response to size as well as moderation strategies and open signups policies. We don't want to cut off our community from folks on these instances but if they're causing a lot of trouble- we can certainly consider it

[–] Gaywallet@beehaw.org 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

@dipshit@lemm.ee

Just got around to looking at the numbers again-

kbin.social has the most total reports on their users, followed by our own instance, and then lem.ee and lemmy.ml. Everything past those instances has a fairly low volume of reports. The volume of reports is fairly manageable even from the top reported instances and is vaguely correlated with instance size/activity.

Discuss.online has hardly been reported at all and we have generally found that the person who runs lemm.ee has been responsive to our asks and values a safe instance - they might just be slightly overwhelmed by the size of the instance (they've got like 1.5k communities) and people might not be reporting content that should be removed. In general we do not try to police other instances, it's more about blocking instances where their users are actively harassing ours or too frequently misbehaving on our instance.

[–] dipshit@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago

We don’t want to cut off our community from folks on these instances but if they’re causing a lot of trouble- we can certainly consider it

If that's the case and there is a desire to have community reach maybe older defederations should be re-evaluated. But I wasn't under the impression that it mattered much compared to safety of minority users and security of the instance.