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Why did Beehaw defederate from Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works for poor moderation and not lemm.ee and discuss.online? (lemmyverse.link)

submitted 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) by dipshit@lemm.ee to c/support@beehaw.org

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Seriously why? Discuss.online has horrible moderation and open-signups, and Lemm.ee isn't very much better. If lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works were completely nuked to avoid the moderation headache or risks from two large open servers, why aren't lemm.ee and discuss.online banned as well?

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[–] dipshit@lemm.ee 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

lemm.ee has !conservative@lemm.ee a community which is allowed to thrive by the main admin of this server. Along with all their users. Does this really seem like a good idea guys?

[–] Gaywallet@beehaw.org 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

The presence of a conservative space is not enough to warrant defederation in my opinion. We don't want to be an echo chamber. It's entirely possible to be conservative on some issues and still respect all humans. I would also argue that voting conservative in the US currently would almost certainly invalidate ones respect for self autonomy but that's a more nuanced discussion and is very US centric

[–] Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It's entirely possible to be conservative on some issues and still respect all humans.

Is it really? Being "socially conservative" means you're just a bigot against women and/or minorities. Being "economically conservative" means you're just a bigot against the poor.

Idk, what would be an example of a conservative position that does respect all humans?

[–] Gaywallet@beehaw.org 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

In the US I'd completely agree, in that it's impossible to vote for conservative folks who are not openly and actively bigoted against someone and attempting to strip away other's rights. But it's possible to not live in the US where some conservative platforms are different. It's also possible to hold conservative viewpoints on issues which are not inherently bigoted (wishing for less government, or for more individual freedom) and not vote for conservative politicians who are bigoted. I think there's some room for nuance, and there's room for a healthy amount of diversity for individuals who hold different beliefs on some issues but are still inherently humanistic.

[–] Penguincoder@beehaw.org 3 points 4 days ago

Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems. https://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/

That said, it's not a Broad stroke generalization that all Conservatives are alike, just as not all Liberals are alike. Don't paint the individual with the group, 100%.