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The actual conviction that a fucking shia state is going to create a hegemony without a belligerent Israel to counterbalance them is laughable. The only reason they get as much support as they do now is because everyone fucking hates us more. Turkey, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia are plenty to counterbalance Iran when push comes to shove. Though I don't consider the Saudis much better. Pan Arabisim specifically discounts Persians and they will react to Iran being a significant threat, even if Turkey and Egypt play nice right now.
The only thing Israel will give the US is a causus beli to go to war with Iran, which is a war the US certainly does not have the conviction to win.
With hundreds of millions of lives on the line, nobody should count on religious fanatics to be rational. They aren't rational.
A hedgemony without Isreal is laughable, I agree. I'm not sure what you're getting at though because Israel, and it's nuclear armament, isn't going anywhere. That's the worry: that Iran, with the power of God on its side, will think it could actually defeat Israel and decide to shoot its shot. They cannot beat Israel. It's not a successful pan-islamic caliphate seated in Tehran that I'm worried about.
I'm worried about the aspiring caliphate that wants to destroy Israel and thinks its ordained to do so. It's great that Egypt and Saudi Arabia will resist Iran, but it won't be before at least tens or even hundreds of millions of war refugees flee the area. Where are they going to go? They're going to head to North Africa, the Mediterranean Coast, eastern Europe, central Africa, south western Asia. What's going to happen to those economies and governments? Maybe not all of the surrounding states will collapse, but some of them will for sure. And then what will happen to all the people that live in these collapsing countries, not to mention Iran itself?
You're trying to downplay the seriousness of the threat posed by a fanatic government in Iran because it believes in a model of government that we, as rational people know cannot sustain from its geopolitical position.
What I'm saying is that it will cost tens of millions of lives for Iran to learn that lesson. Tens of millions of more people will be victims of strained economies and governments, many of whom will likely fall permanently into nation-states of Islamic fascism. The strategy of the western world in the middle east needs to be one based on helping Iran understand that it will not win a war against Israel, despite Iran's sincere conviction that it has God in its side.
America absolutely has the conviction to make sure Iran is not successful. Every president in modern memory has said in no uncertain terms that Iran will not develop nuclear weapons while they are in office. The Pentagon's war plans for a war between Iran and Israel calls for millions of American troops on the ground in Israel.
In any event, the 50,000 dead in Gaza will be a forgettable drop in the bucket compared to the casualties that start tallying up if Iran declares war. It would be pretty stupid for America to change its Middle East policy because Israel went ham on 50,000 people when a change in America's policy is likely to prompt a war that will kill millions of people and displace possibly hundreds of millions. It took a year for 50,000 people to die in Gaza; try to imagine what it would be like when 50,000 people are dying everyday before lunchtime.
So let's just be clear that anyone saying that America should pull its support for Israel is not saying so because of any sincere desire to save lives or preserve human rights.
You speak with both sides of your mouth. Somehow America is preventing Iran from invading Israel while also Iran is a loose cannon that will invade anyway. It's horseshit. The one who's going to start a war is Israel. They're the ones committing genocide and they're the ones who actually put boots on the ground in other countries while flagrantly violating the Geneva convention. That's the powder keg the US has enabled and will continue to enable by giving full support to fascist governments. It won't provide stability or security. All it provides is an absolute liability. And you're beyond delusional if you think Americans will accede to the Pentagon's war plans once the bodies start flying in.