Most of your common liberal voters are not in support of the things we are fighting against. They are poorly educated and mislead, and continuing to paint them as the enemy is making the problem worse and giving the far-right more power. "You're either with us or against us" mentality isn't conductive to genuinely solving socio-political problems.

Fuck libertarians and neo-liberalism. They are not liberals, nor the centrists I was pointing to in my earlier post.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm not blaming any liberals voters; I'm blaming liberalism and **CAPITALISM**™. I often forget that people don't view the world like I do. I don't blame most Trump supporters for Trump. I don't even blame people who are rich as a whole, only how the laws of the economy drive them to evil. I don't inherently care for retribution, but I know people automatically think that way.

I am saying that liberalism, as an ideology, needs to amputate capitalism and imperialism from itself. Capital must be secondary to people, always and forever. Unless we are absolutely clear on that, fuck liberalism. It's dead weight as a brand. The old system is politically toxic, so we need to rebuild from humanitarian ideals and critical thought. Ownership means nothing anymore. The social contract withered away already.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You can't really amputate capitalism at this point. Its just not possible short of a really long and bloody war or somehow convincing conservatives it was their idea. You can try to change it from within and eat the rich but it's core tenants are not going away.

Capital must be secondary to people, always and forever.

This I agree with. It's a tragedy that it even has to be said

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Exactly. People are too wedded to the idea that capitalism "needs protecting" from some boogeyman. Capitalism will probably be better off if we actively oppose it instead of pretending that it's wise. It's an evil system BECAUSE it's similar to evolution. There's no "invisible hand," only self interest that ignores externalities and generational consequences.