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Here's a copy and paste from the 1933 article:

Rise in Stocks Reflects Confidence He Will Not Disrupt Nation's Affairs

Berlin is settling down to pass judgment on political developments. Politicians, economists and bankers declare there is usually wide discrepancy between the speeches of opposition politicians and the actions of the group when it gains power.

Consequently, it is not believed that Hitler will accomplish a change in the constitution or that [Reich Minister of Economics Alfred] Hugenberg will bring about a general reduction of interest rates. The government wants to obtain an adjournment of the Reichstag for several months, but it is questionable whether the Centre [Party] will approve of such action.

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[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 152 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (30 children)

If anyone asks how the Germans could elect a wannabe autocrat populist and how many people could ignore clear signs of genocide going on.

Now you know.

Edit

A lot of people commenting about either my observation not being astute enough, or misinterpreting history in one way or another.

My observation is solely about and how these things happen it's not very conspirational nor institutional, just weaponized anxiety, populism, polarity and apathy.

The particular brand of ideology, or the identity of the perpetrator does very little for the equation. People being selfish and wilfully ignorant as long as they are pandered to.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 61 points 5 days ago (2 children)

We've been watching fascists pile into legislatures from Russia to the UK for decades. It's cute to make everything about Hitler, but this isn't an event unique to '33.

  • Fearmomgering over migrants
  • Secular violence encouraged by colonial powers
  • Stagnating global economies and bottlenecks in critical resources
  • Anti-colonialism in the third world
  • Those damned Marxists refusing to sit down, shut up, and back the liberal party

You can find historical parallels in the collapse of Yugoslavia and the Irish Troubles, Modi's rise in India and the Nixon/Reagan reaction to the US civil rights movement, the military coups in Guatemala and El Salvador, the dictatorships of South Korea and South Vietnam...

There's deeper historical roots to Trumpism than just "America made another oopsie cause we're dumb-dumbs"

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Sure yeah.

The point here is that Hitler is cleraly the most famous crazy dictator. And now, almost 100 years later, it's looking like this Trump fellow is going to be remember quite a lot as well. I don't know about you, but I'm generally slightly afraid, and I'm not even American.

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Those damned Marxists refusing to sit down, shut up, and back the liberal party

Well, they quite literally could have prevented Hitler's rise to power, but Stalin decided it was more beneficial to the USSR for the Communists to support the Nazis against the Liberals. Why? Hmmmm... Guess we'll never know?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well, they quite literally could have prevented Hitler’s rise to power

By all voting for Hindeburg, the guy who ordered the police to assassinate Rosa Luxembourg?

Stalin decided it was more beneficial to the USSR for the Communists to support the Nazis

Hindenburg thought it was more beneficial for the Conservatives to support the Nazis.

Stalin was the Boogeyman Hindenburg used to justify a fascist government. Purging the Nazis in 1933 was as important to him as it was in 1919.

Twice, Hindenburg sided with fascists to demolish any kind of civil socialist reform in his country. Twice "evil Russians" got the blame for a domestic slaughter.

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The communists literally sided with the fascists to also prevent any kind of socialist/social-democratic/"liberal" reform in the country.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The communists literally sided with the fascists

The fascists were barely sided with themselves, given all the backstabbing. It took the conservative party to elevate the Nazis to the Chancellorship.

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes, but the communists STILL sided with the fascists against the socialists/socdems.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

against the socialists/socdems

The SDP purged its ranks of Communists to appease Hindenburg's State Police. You can't side with a party that's trying to rat you out to the cops and get you killed.

Which, again, brings us to the conservatives who held power by playing sides off each other until they misplayed their hands.

The path to fascism was paved back in 1919, when the original Communists were rounded up and executed by the conservatives.

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Again, the Communists could have chosen NOT to side with the Fascists, but they did anyway.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

the Communists could have chosen NOT to side with the Fascists

Why do you keep deflecting blame from the Weimer president and head of the military police? I almost question whether you have a problem with the Fascists at all.

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because you are actually the one deflecting blame.

Why did the communists side with the fascists against the liberals?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Jesus. Shit like this is why liberals lose elections.

[–] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Why did the communists side with the fascists, in your opinion?

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

You can get away with anything when 99% of the voters don't actually care about the quality of the people we elect, and that's the US.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago

No, we don't know. It makes less sense than it ever did seeing it play out in real time.

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