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Hundreds of people stormed into the main airport in Russia’s Dagestan region and onto the landing field Sunday, chanting antisemitic slogans and seeking passengers arriving on a flight from Tel Aviv, Israel, Russian news agencies and social media reported.

Russian news reports said the crowd surrounded the airliner, which belonged to Russian carrier Red Wings.

Authorities closed the airport in Makhachkala, the capital of the predominantly Muslim region, and police converged on the facility. Dagestan’s Ministry of Health said more than 20 people were injured, with two in critical condition. It said the injured included police officers and civilians.

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[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Dagestani people are mostly Sunni Muslim. So I would call the group in this instance Islamic extremists, or just conservative Muslims, and not Nazis. Antisemitism is kind of baked into the Quran, sadly. Not to mention modern history between the two groups kind of fuels that fire.

That's not to say that there aren't actual Nazis in Russia, and there may have even been a few involved here. To be fair, its getting hard to tell the difference between Nazis, and extremely conservative people of most every religious denomination nowadays. So I guess your point still stands.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not totally true. Arab Muslims and Arab Jews lived mostly peacefully together for many hundreds of years. It's like saying antisemitism is baked into the Bible. It sortof is, but not really. You have to stretch things and manipulate it to do that, and try to force people to care. Most people just want to live their lives. Making any of this Israel stuff about religion just plays into Israel's playbook. Arab Jews lived in that region without murdering the Muslims for a long time. It's the European colonial Zionists that started murdering and saying Muslims couldn't live there with them peacefully.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would also absolutely say that antisemitism is baked into the Bible. Antisemitism is baked into a lot of things throughout history, too. I am not trying to say that all Muslims and Christians are antisemitic, but their writings most definitely are, and it gives people an excuse to be that way whenever is convenient. Also, none of this excuses what Israel has done and is doing to Gaza.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It really depends on the notion of "Jews in general" vs "a particular group of Jews". The Quran seems to mostly say things about a particular batch of Jews. The most general comment about I can find in the Quran actually discussed by a rabbi in comedic fashion. The same rabbi also has TONS of examples of antisemitism in the New Testament but seems to have a very high opinion of Islam.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This was an interesting discussion, thanks for posting. I learned a bit about the actual history behind that passage, and it cleared up some of my own misunderstanding as a heathen from a Muslim family. I think the problem lies in the fact that conservative Muslims can still use those passages to justify antisemitism, but that's not unique to Islam obviously.

These books are so vague and out of touch with the modern world that people can use them to construct any sort of meaning that they want to it seems. It's the only explanation for why some of the followers can be all about peace and harmony, and other followers of the same book are focused on doom and war.

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I feel like it mostly comes to hypocrisy and impatience. As individuals we decide on the amount we absorb of a religion into our daily lives. I would say that those who absorb just enough religion to bolster the narratives and views they already built are misusing an important tool. For instance, if you hated a particular group (in this case: Jews), you could simply stop narrating the following after the first sentence:

In the first generation of Islam, many efforts were made to establish a believing community with the Jews; and one by one, each of these [Arabian] Jewish tribes betrayed those Muslims. However, when those same Muslims took over Jerusalem, the prohibition of Jews in Jerusalem was lifted in order to let Jews worship in Jerusalem. It's obvious that the first generation of Muslims did not blame all Jews for the betrayal of SEVERAL tribes.

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[–] ReasonablePea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

The crazy thing is they are all almost exactly the same religion

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Right. Religion ruins everything.