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[September 2024] JD Vance says US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to regulate Elon Musk’s platforms (www.independent.co.uk)

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JD Vance said that ‘American power comes with certain strings attached’

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[+] perestroika@lemm.ee 22 points 7 months ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

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[–] luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 months ago

taints in its history

Ooh, let's play "find the dark history"! What better way to distract from today's issues and avoid talking about solutions for tomorrow's problem!

This is me agreeing with you, to be clear. The description "taints in its history" is so ubiquitous as to be useless. Yes, acknowledging the errors of the past is important to learn from them and improve, but the focus needs to be on that learning and improving.

The NATO has potential to be a force of security. In a modern world, conflict between peers is more destructive than ever and the returns on aggressive action are more strongly affected by the strength of the defense, such a union of forces can discourage attack by making it too unprofitable.

Of course, that requires the union to actually stand united and the potential aggressor to be reasonable and motivated by the state's prosperity. Neither of those seem entirely guaranteed right now...

[–] andxz@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Your opinions are certainly grounded in reality at least. It's refreshing to read something sensible for a change.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It is currently very busy doing a real job

Yes i'm sure they are doing a very busy job like they were in their tainted history (false flag operations to delegitimize left-wing parties in Western European countries)

If it oversteps

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Response

"Several of the operations were along the coast in the borders between sea and land, and together with roads and populated areas. Surveillance, patrols, road control posts, vehicle inspection, control of air space, minesweeping, evacuation of civilians, and riot control were important part of the exercise."

[+] perestroika@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

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[–] index@sh.itjust.works -2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Those are realistic military duties in war time. Every military practises them. Where do you find a fault?

Where do i find a fault in conducting vehicle inspections and riot control at peace time, from an organization with a shady past involving false flag operations, psychological warfare and assassinations aimed at delegitimize left-wing parties.

Dunno buddy let me keep thinking

An example from real life: the Ukrainian military has checkpoints on roads near the frontline. Moving with a vehicle, you’d expect to show papers, say a few words and maybe even show transported goods. The purpose? Finding reconnaisance / sabotage groups, which every competent enemy is expected to send. If an opponent doesn’t send recon or saboteurs, they are fools. If a military doesn’t learn how to deter those, they’re fools.

The ukrainian military also have checkpoints in the west border to make sure any male between 18 and 60 doesn't leave the country so that they can be forced into war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine

How does one learn? After dry reading in a classroom: one holds an excercise. There’s a home team and an opposing team. The home team checks, the opposing team infiltrates. Both teams report what they achieved, results get compared. If the blue team found the “saboteurs”, good. If the red team “blew up” all bridges and pipelines in the area, people think hard about what they did wrong. If they don’t practise, they don’t get to think hard.

To me this sound like military rhetoric coming from a military man. You self defined yourself as being a moderately honest anarchist, i suggest you to keep doing your anarchist readings and re-read the works of Emma Goldman and Errico Malatesta.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/emma-goldman-preparedness-the-road-to-universal-slaughter

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/errico-malatesta-the-european-war-and-the-international-workers-organization