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[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Historically, fascist governments are voted in.

They're never voted out.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is exactly what has me so horrified. Hitler was stopped as was Mussolini.

There's no one strong enough to stop America and with our geographic and strategic locations we're practically invincible. :(

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

A better example might be the collapse of communism in Russia and the former USSR. The system just got increasingly rotten until it crumbled from within. And despite the self-serving lies, Reagan had nothing to do with it. It was all down to the people in those countries who had finally had enough.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

It was all Russia for some of them. The Hungarians did jack shit and it shows to this day.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

It was getting late for libs to start bringing up socialism to diagnose their fascist oligarchy. The USSR collapsed in the way most socialist states have collapsed: at gunpoint, after decades of siege, sabotage and outright insurrectionism sponsored or directly enacted by the US. It's no accidentt that Vietnam, the DPRK and China have robust security states, you can't survive the US without them.

[–] draneceusrex@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Well, I'm hoping we are a little closer to Franco's Spain, and things just peeter out once Trump dies.

[–] HeadfullofSoup@kbin.earth 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump gonna die ( kill by it's masters ) so Vance can get promoted as the perfect puppet to push the US even more into dictatorship using the coup for more violent repression of everyone they dont like

[–] boydster@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

My bet is Trump gets the 25th amendment treatment just after he passes the 2-year mark of his term. That way, the back half of the term won't start the timer on Vance's 2-term limit and the fascists can keep Americans sleepwalking for the next 12 years before we collectively wake up and realize we're in a dictatorship. I hope I'm wrong but I could easily imagine this plan already having been drawn up.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Franco's a worst case, and there are still lingering problems in Spain due to the compromises made in order to restore democracy.

[–] draneceusrex@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ummm...are you forgetting WWII? No one is coming into the country to help us drag them to the Hegue. Of course there will be compromise. The only other scenario is WWIII.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

There is also civil war though, or an USSR style dissolution of the union.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

But they can also be ended with protests. See East Germany.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, but that was more a case of the government collapsing due to Germans fleeing through Hungary and Austria.

Besides, I don't really want to wait 50 years for the GOP to finally wither away.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

40 years and while that was definitely an important part of it, it was mainly half a million people protesting on the streets of every major city.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

Just gotta get yourself a foreign sponsor to start sabotaging the US and get the rest of the world to stop selling you food, oil, or consumer goods like the US did to the DDR.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But they also seldom last long until they're overthrown.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Mussolini had power for 21 years.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

Franco for 36, though he took power by coup not votes.

And Orbán had 18 so far and 2 remaining from this term for a more recent example.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Haven't seen many people asking, but aren't an awful lot of votes being counted by ES&S?

Who even says we voted this one in?