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why is lemmy karma not visible from the interface? (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 2 weeks ago by The_the@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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it is visible from the api for example and if i remeber correctly from other fediverse projects.

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[–] sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think this stands. This isn't asking for support or usage but the philosophy of not making karma visible. This community may not be all about lemmy but I'd argue it fits

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

why do we need the karma?

[–] sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think we do personally. I don't love the gamification of social media and disagree with karma as a system of trust. I think visible karma is detrimental and has made upvoting more "I like this post and this person" rather than "I think more people should see this"

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

that's how karma ends up getting used no matter what you do; as exemplified by reddit and despite all efforts taken to prevent it by its professional staff of developers.

lemmy is run by volunteers who mostly have day jobs & other life hurdles and if people who are paid to dedicate their entire time were & are not able to mitigate karma abuse like it is on reddit; what hope is there for lemmy to succeed where they failed?

[–] sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Completely agree

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

fwiw i think that karma could be useful in the future; but lemmy lacks the resources to implement it w/o it getting abused.

so i think it makes sense to wait for the those with the finances to pay for the development teams to figure it out and, once they do, we can copy/paste their idea(s) into implementing something like this that is viable and maintainable for lemmy.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

It would have to be something like a per-community karma score to ensure it can’t be used out of context and to reduce the benefits of gaming the number.

I could also see a use for per-instance karma which only counts upvotes from users on that instance.

For example if I make a mainstream post on the election at lemmy.world and all the users from Hexbear downvote it, that shouldn’t affect my rep with lemmy.world admins, but Hexbear admins would appreciate knowing their local users consider me unacceptably capitalist.