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[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 61 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Gonna leave this here from a reply I made to a similar thread weeks ago. China's demographics are in very bad shape.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 58 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This was mostly created by the one child policy that ran from 1979-2016, coupled with male child preference. In China, a male child is responsible for taking care of his own parents, while females are responsible for caring for their in-laws.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 57 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In large part yes, but younger generations are also not especially motivated to have kids when they already have to deal with a soul-crushing workplace (much worse than in the west).

[–] filister@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The famous 996, they have this work culture from 9 AM to 9 PM, 6 days a week. Good luck having any power left after such a week.

[–] yokonzo@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Oh God really? My work is already pretty soul crushing, I couldn't imagine

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's bad. There are fewer worker protections and unions are illegal.

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Unions are illegal in a Communist state? That's hilariously ironic and sad.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There is one mega-union (the only permitted one) with officials appointed by the CCP. It's essentially a sham, like the non-CCP parties in Congress that are nominally a type of opposition but can never hold any real power.

And yes, it is ironic and sad. Nordic countries are more communist than China is. China doesn't even have truly free healthcare like Canada etc.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 13 points 1 month ago

You see, it's not communism, but communism with Chinese ideals (therefore whatever the heck the CCP wants it to be)

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

It's not communist, it's just a nazi state with a different name.

All the rest applies, the racial bits, the cruelty and genocide, all of it.

No, I lie, the nazis didn't execute nearly as many of their own people, nor did they restrict reproduction in the same way.

[–] TwinTusks@bitforged.space 7 points 1 month ago

Chinese Unions are a joke, it is common practice that union preventatives would trying to convince you to be more understanding of your boss.

It's a well known joke that the only reason Chinese Union exists is to prevent real unions to form (you want a worker union? but we already have one, go talk to them).

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

10x worse, you work 12 hours min and you work Saturdays, plus the boss is a lot more... Personally cruel than they are here.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If it was just that, surely there'd be a rebound visible on the chart after 2016 (8-year-olds and younger)? Instead it falls off even harder

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

At this point the culture had shifted to not value large families and so few even think it is possible while not having kids seems like a valid option. It takes years to shift this even with an effort to encourage kids.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Not making your society a dystopian hellscape might help.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

They can't get married till they have a house, and there are problems there...

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They also have a level of youth unemployment above 20%. Between a fifth and a quarter of those Zoomers are unemployed.

[–] TwinTusks@bitforged.space 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Its' so bad that they stopped publishing unemployment rate few years back, there are many talks of university students where they have to fill form about their future plans and whether they already received job offers, the teachers would encourage them to open a online store and fill the form as store owner/self employed.

[–] RarePossum@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's so bad they revised how they were measuring it to make it look better.

And then it continued to go up anyway

[–] TwinTusks@bitforged.space 4 points 1 month ago

They invented a new term "negative growth" so they won't have to use "decline".

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Makes me wonder whether they're expecting to lose a significant number of young men for some reason over the next few years as well. Gotta start planning for replacements early.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 16 points 1 month ago

Honestly I don't think that is necessary to explain this. China is seeing the same issue as western countries with birth rates way below replacement, but it hardly has any of the immigration that mitigates it for (most of) Europe and North America. It's not easy for an economy to support an ever-increasing proportion of its population being retirees

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's a great argument for triads here

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] shasta@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They're referring to relationships between 3 people

[–] TwinTusks@bitforged.space 7 points 1 month ago

Are you sure they aren't talking about the illegal Chinese mafia? The Triads.