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[–] Pips@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Whereas, and forgive me if I'm mistakenly assuming you're advocating not voting for Harris, your worldview is just defeating. Every candidate but Harris will ensure that Palestinian suffering increases. Not voting will deny Harris a vote, therefore necessarily increase the odds of someone else winning and Palestinian suffering increasing. Palestinians are saying to vote for Harris. Votjng for a third party (all choices there, by the way, either actively endorse Trump (RFK Jr.) or are funded by Russia (Stein) so supports the genocide of Ukrainians) remove a vote for Harris and increase the odds of Palestinian suffering increasing. There is no scenario where if you're an American citizen you can be a neutral bystander.

At this point, if you don't vote for Harris, you're voting for ethnic cleansing and genocide, quite possibly at home as well as abroad.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

All I'm advocating is for people to vote for whoever fits their values best, whether thats third party, democrat, republican, or not voting at all if there really isnt any valid ones.

The problem is people who have the perspective that you vote against the worst candidate rather than for the best one, in my opinion.

[–] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

The problem is people who have the perspective that you vote against the worst candidate rather than for the best one, in my opinion.

Have you somehow not heard of "first past the post"? The people who have that perspective, with regard to the US presidential race, have the correct perspective.

Third party votes don't matter in FPTP. Until that changes, a vote for third party works in the Republican candidates favor, thanks to FPTP, plus the electoral college.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 weeks ago

Sort of, its a self fulfilling perspective to believe the two party system is about picking the least worst of the two.

If the majority of people would vote for their best party/candidate then things would change from getting worse to getting better.

Im of the opinion peoples perspectives need to change before policy or regulation will, but I wouldnt say not to try and change it through election reform.

[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world -3 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Every candidate but Harris will ensure that Palestinian suffering increases.

Harris has not said anything concrete about holding Israel back. Or stopping shipments.

[–] Pips@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 4 weeks ago

Trump has affirmatively said he will ensure Israel is able to do whatever it wants.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Except she absolutely has.

She's called for the investigations needed to legally stop the funding.

Because there's a full legal process that needs to happen to overrule Congress on allocated funding.

Trump was impeached over fucking with funds allocated by Congress to a foreign government.

A Harris win means a push for a cease fire. Especially if Democrats win the House and Senate.

A Trump win on the other hand... Well. He's actually on record as pro-genocide.

[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

A Harris win means a push for a cease fire.

Biden has used none of the levers they have available to get Israel to the ceasfire table. When asked, Harris defaults to the Hasbara answer playbook, starting her answer with Israel "defending itself" from the Oct 7 attacks.

We need the weapons shipments stopped. They are already a clear violation of US law. They are a crime. Harris has been asked point blank if she would stop the shipments and she said no. So you are just parroting empty marketing and lies. Other presidents have gone further than merely stopping weapons shipments and stopped this same exact pattern of violence with a simple phone call. We arent even asking for that phone call.