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McDonald’s workers roast Trump over ‘insulting cosplay’ stunt at restaurant that failed health inspection
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In a system where my vote categorically will not positively influence society if it is used to vote outside of the duopoly, I have two choices, the blatantly fascist candidate that is substantially more akin to Hitler than any Democrat, or the somewhat more mild Democrat.
If I vote for a third party, my vote will only give the fascist a higher chance of gaining power than he otherwise would.
If I vote for Kamala, at least there's a lesser chance of the fascist winning. That's a start, and I can then continue advocating for the Democratic party engaging in better actions going forward, engage in direct political action, and do what I can to push the overton window to the left, hopefully making it harder for fascists to get into power in the future.
I do not enjoy this system, but it is the one I live in. I can either vote for Trump, or Kamala. Any other choice simply removes any meaningful effect my vote would have had.
So, what do you suggest I do? I'm serious. Do you think I should have voted for Trump instead?
You're voting for a fascist with different aesthetics. You will never find me telling you how to vote one way or another though. Use your energy organizing. If you happen to be one of the 18% of the population who even gets to decide if they want to play along with this bullshit, spend as little time as possible thinking about it or doing it.
Although if you decide to vote for either of the major candidates this time you're giving material support to a genocide so it's no exaggeration to call you a nazi. Fuck you.
Democrats, so far, have not shown to me that they are fascist in any meaningful way. They actively engage in messaging and political action that abhors the idea of a natural social hierarchy, have still worked to uphold general democratic ideals, and are still liberal. (among much else) That alone doesn't meet what most people would consider fascist. They're simply just not very good, but I wouldn't go so far as to call them fascists. not yet, at least. If they continue going further along that path, I will always reconsider based on the best evidence I have available.
If the only two options on the ballot are genocide, and even worse genocide, and not picking just increases the chances of the even worse genocide happening, I'll pick the option that does less genocide any day. I am not choosing to support a genocide, I am choosing between two possible genocides, of which one will inevitably be chosen regardless of my input. I have no choice in whether it will happen, only how badly it will.
I am a utilitarian. When given a limited set of options, if one will reduce the overall harm caused, I'll pick the one that does the least harm. If I must pick between someone killing 5 people, and someone killing 10, I will pick the one who kills 5. (assuming I have no way to prevent either option in the first place)
This election will happen. One of these candidates will be chosen. It is the same dilemma, a choice where a result will occur, but to what degree it affects the world is something I can influence.
Knowing Trump's past policy and rhetoric, and comparing it to that of Kamala, and the Democratic party more broadly, it's extraordinarily easy to tell that Trump will cause more overall harm to the world, not just in the case of the Palestinian people, but of all people across the globe. As long as the opposing party will do less harm, that is who I will vote for in order to reduce his chances of winning. Not necessarily because I support every policy they have, but because I know they will produce the least harm comparatively.
I can do that and vote according to my utilitarian ideals at the same time. These are not mutually exclusive.
Get me a definition of Nazi-ism and explain how it ties into my rhetoric thus far.
Literally doing the meme
It's amazing that your brain doesn't kick on at any point let alone this one
And you have the fucking gall to ask me to define a nazi afterwards
Good job not answering the question. You can't just use "nazi" as a buzzword to make your ideological opponents sound worse.
Being forced to vote for the lesser of two evils to reduce overall harm is not the same as actively choosing to vote for the demonstrably more fascist party. If anyone would be closer to Hitler in this election, it would be Trump. If there are only two choices, I will vote for the one that's less like Hitler to stop the one that's more like Hitler from getting into power.
The thing is, I don't really care what argument you're trying to make, because everything you're saying is totally unproductive. Regardless of whatever point you're trying to make, you're trying to convince me. What should I do as a result of your argument?
You're arguing that me voting for Kamala is wrong. Cool, what else should I have done? This entire argument is you trying to convince me, so what are you trying to convince me of?
I'm not and you're being extremely childish and stupid acting like this point hasn't already been over. You're a fucking nazi because you materially support genocide. That's it. And as I've already said, calling you a fucking nazi should be a compliment because unlike them you're voting DURING the holocaust, not in ignorance of its future.
Your moral indignation is as worthless as your morals are, fucking nazi.
Wooooooowwww no shiiiiiiit
And yet you're still raging at me demanding I perform discourse for you despite that. Fucking piece of shit narcissist nazi. Amazing coincidence that you feel so comfortable flaunting your pathological self importance in this conversation and have zero value of human life for people outside of yourself in politics. A fucking piece of shit nazi to the bone.
Whether I vote in this election or not, the genocide will continue. Whether only one person votes for either party and every other American abstains, or whether every American votes, the genocide will continue. I am not materially supporting the genocide, I am only trying to reduce the maximum amount of people who will inevitably be slaughtered.
Your entire argument is based around ignorance of the fact that this genocide will inevitably happen no matter who I vote for, but that there will likely be a substantially worse outcome if Trump is elected.
I can see you have no actual point to make, and just enjoy calling other people nazis. Again, good job not answering the actual question. In case you missed it: "You’re arguing that me voting for Kamala is wrong. Cool, what else should I have done? This entire argument is you trying to convince me, so what are you trying to convince me of?"
If you can't provide an answer to this extremely basic question that directly calls into question your very motive for this conversation, then I have nothing else to say to you.
World's most rational liberal fascist: "I'm trying to reduce the number of people who die by voting for the people killing them!"
I genuinely hope for you what I hope for all fascists.
If you can't understand that both parties will continue the genocide regardless of anyone's vote, then I think you should reconsider how "rational" you see yourself to be.
Have a good day.
You know what you leader did, nazi?
I want you to follow your leader.