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Smart T.V. Privacy Overview? (feddit.nl)

submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by czim@feddit.nl to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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I'm considering buying a new TV. There's plenty of posts about trying to find dumb TVs, comments like 'just don't connect it to the internet/network'.

What surprises me is that there isn't a good overview of (popular) TVs or brands with basic information, answering for each TV:

Can you use it as a basic TV by choosing not to enable smart features during setup?
Can you opt out by just not accepting a bunch of agreements?
Does it have a camera and/or microphone? Where in the device are these? Is there a physical disable switch for microphone?
Does it nag when not connected to any network?
Does it have higher than normal power usage when not able to phone home?
Has it been discovered to connect to public WiFi networks? Does it have the (theoretical) ability to connect to 5G mobile networks?

And similar.

There are extensive lists with a lot of detail about VPN services but nothing like that for TVs. Am I ignorant of a good source, or does this just not exist (yet)?

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[–] robolemmy@lemmy.world 45 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I love how literally nobody is answering your actual question.

I agree that this is problematic and we need TV reviews to include at least some of the information you cite.

If it helps, I have an LG smart TV. It complains if you don't let it access the internet at setup, but if you connect it once and let it do its initial patching, you can decline all agreements and not get nagged until it tries to update again. To keep it from further updates, you can disconnect it from wifi and it doesn't seem to try to reconnect. I can't speak to public wifi because there aren't any open access points near my TV.

In contrast, I have a samsung TV that loses its mind if it can't connect to the internet and becomes basically useless for all the nagging.

[–] czim@feddit.nl 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thanks! See, that distinction is super helpful. I've found (old) lists of Smart TV OSes and how their privacy settings work (or don't), with some details on what happens when you decline EULA's, but not many and not very useful ones.

The answer may well be that anyone that actually cares about this stuff just doesn't buy any smart TV (or otherwise hasn't had to in the last few years). Still, with the answer 'just don't connect it to the internet' being the most common, I'd expected to see a bit more information like you've given.

So the Samsung keeps nagging even when you're watching direct HDMI input? And does the LG need to boot up the entire (Web)OS to view HDMI input?

[–] robolemmy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

The Samsung tries to “identify” what’s on an hdmi input before it will connect. It seems to call out to the internet to do that because it takes forever to fail and show you the display anyway when it’s not connected to the internet. Even when it is connected, it takes a stupidly long time to switch to a new input. I super hate it and will never buy another samsung tv.

I guess the lg needs to boot tizen before it works, because I see the logo briefly but then it goes directly to the last used input with no other bullshit, so it’s fine with me.

[–] Laristal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

Lg TVs do occasionally nag you about connecting to the internet but are otherwise fine completely disconnected.