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[–] Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The Butcher of Khan Younis? He's arguably the one person on earth who cared the least for his people. Throughout his life, he killed and tortured Palestinians as pawns to inflame as much hatred as possible. He was a martyr for pure evil and is undeniably in hell. His people and Israelis alike are better for his death.

[–] HorseRabbit@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He ordered the killing of Israeli collaborators. Idk how that makes him the one person on earth who cared the least for his people.

[–] Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com 2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Mass murderers objectively have a pretty low value of human life. But there's also the fact that he started an organization to send people to their deaths, brought unprecedented war to Gaza, stole humanitarian aid, stole millions of dollars, and has adamantly rejected any peace talks.

[–] HorseRabbit@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

October 7th was absolutely fucked up for attacking civilians, although around 1/3 of the casualties were military or police. So is diverting humanitarian aid to a military. Seems wild to blame him for the invasion and genocide though. Also he hasn't been the main obstacle to peace talks. Hamas agreed to the peace deal America negotiated on July 2nd. This is the third time in a few months that Israel has murdered the person they're in direct peace negotiations with. The genocide continues because Israel wants it to.

Again not saying he was a nice guy or anything, but saying he cared the least about the Palestinian people because he ordered the deaths of Israeli collaborators just sees inaccurate.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If you listen to any of his speech he was clear about dying fighting for the freedom of his people. Mainly the prisoners as he saw what it is like first hand.

He literally organize a peaceful protest to open gaza borders where “Israel” start shooting people knees and legs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests

October 7 is clearly to get hostages to negotiate release of “prisoner” many of which has not even been charge, and by ”Israel” own testimony has been sexually assaulted and torture.

Ignoring any of these details is just attempt to justify the genocide.

[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not going to say he was a good guy, but it was Israel who brought unprecedented war to Gaza. Hamas would not exist if not for Israel's atrocities.

[–] Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Israel definitely did its part, but I'm just saying Gaza was way better off even just on October 6th before Hamas started the war.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

What an ignorant take. If you prefer to live as a slave in your own land many dont.

[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago

Israel started the war long before October 6th.

[–] sweetpotato@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

"brought unprecedented war to Gaza"???

Last time I checked, that's Israel's business. Yk turning Gaza into an open air prison, oppressing, stealing the land of the Palestinians, murdering them and torturing them, ethnically cleansing them...?

As much as you'd love to tarnish Palestinians liberation struggle, facts don't really allow that. You're just another genocide apologist

[–] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you have a source for your claims? I'd like to see if thats true.

Also, to equate him to israelis is like equating a slave who went on a slave rebellion to the slave master. Even if he did commit crimes the two are not equal. One is an occupier who takes your land, puts in you into an open air prison, rapes, and kills your woman and children.

One is an army with the most advanced weaponry and technology also backed by the world's super power. Whereas the other is bear bones rockets and rifles. Stop trying to make it a "both sides issue" bullshit.

[–] Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Here's a pretty in-depth article on him.

He was literally convicted in 1989 of murdering 12 Palestinians. He only got out of prison because Israel cured his cancer and traded him for some hostages. He also killed 15 fellow Palestinians while in prison. Not to mention the whole founding Hamas thing which has done nothing but made the tragedy in Gaza ten times worse. He tanked any effort towards a two-state solution and insisted that an Arab-only ethnostate was the only acceptable solution, and he was willing to kill as many young men as required to try to make that happen.

[–] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago

Both sources are israeli. I'm sorry, but you can't expect to believe the israeli media after all the lying they did and continue to do. Moreover, no evidence is provided beyond them just claiming he did x y z. If you have another non-israeli credible source, post it.