Unfortunately, there is a downside to allowing Trump to win. It's the trolly problem and yes I will help pull the lever that kills people to keep even more people from dying.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Democrats already started the second genocide in Lebanon.

And soon a war with Iran.

All the "greater evils" of Trump will have been fulfilled by democrats before Trump even become president

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

That's just the evil abroad. Trump welcomes evil right here at home.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 23 hours ago

That is a total lie. That's a very small segment of what Trump would do, and Trump wants to accelerate that too. He also holds a lot of anti-trans positions and anti-woman positions.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 22 hours ago

Then it's not a single lever pull - it's a sum of lever pulls over a long time period.

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They will never negotiate with you, even on genocide, if you vote for them 24/7. Where is the red line?

It took Ronald Reagan one phone call to get them to stop bombing Lebanon.

Margaret Thatcher put a 10-year long arms embargo on them in the 80s.

Modern democrats are worse than Republicans from the 70s.

This can be shown with Biden's draconian crime bill.

his full involvement in the "war on terror".

Kamala ignoring the Supreme Court's decision on releasing nonviolent prisoners after overcrowding, as they were being used for slave labor.

The Marginal tax rate being lower TODAY than it was after Reagan passed his tax cuts.

They will never move to be more progressive if progressives still vote for them.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago

Modern democrats are worse than Republicans from the 70s.

Today's lesser evil was the greater evil yesterday.

[+] ski11erboi@lemm.ee -12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I'm gonna assume your argument is is good faith. You're absolutely correct about all of it. It fucking sucks. But the other side is the the same if not even worse. The reality is that right now the choice is between Harris and Trump. One of those two options will be leading the US next year. Not voting for Harris means Trump will be the leader.

If you want to convince people to stop voting for Harris you need to argue why Trump leading the US next year is a better outcome for Palestine. I haven't been able to find a reason.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Haven't you figured out by now, Democrats will always have a Trump?

[–] Tangentism@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

Instead of "reds under the bed", it's "there's a bogeyman at the door"

[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

is this a fed post because it's literally the state department narrative

[–] regul@lemm.ee 20 points 1 day ago

The argument is that continuing to reward genocidal behavior will never result in the party going left to get your vote. You're demonstrating that they can literally missile strike babies and you'll still vote for them. They don't need to do anything to cater to you at all, but hey maybe they'll throw a bone to your racist uncle and maybe he'll vote for them instead of the ghoul the GOP runs 4 years from now.

Why ever give anything to the left when "look at the other side" always gets you to fall in line? You've completely taken yourself off the board, politically.