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I admit I do love it when Trump gets trolled.

(Weirdly, the post title didn't match the headline in the actual link, but the version Lemmy let me click on to make the title works better anyway.)

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago (3 children)

But his repeated bullshit excuses will be fun to watch.

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This right here is the problem, why he gets favorable treatment by the media, why he's the Republican figurehead. He's "fun to watch".

Here's what will happen: Harris will release her clean bill of health, he'll deny their veracity, he may then make an unsubstantiated boast about his own health, he may then also call into question the qualifications of Harris' doctor, he may then close with some sort of jingoistic non sequitur, or some nugget of misogyny. He will do these things in an almost robotically simplified way, that is at once instantly digestible and yet difficult to directly quote without editing. If anything he says proves the least bit problematic, Steven Cheung will claim that this editing proves malicious intent by the media, and that Trump was unfairly taken out of context. Meanwhile his thralls will either ignore the whole interval, or accept Cheung's version of events and redouble their support of a man who is not only unqualified, but it's actively a national liability. This will register surprise, shock, anger, any number of strong emotions, and viewership/readership will keep coming back, generating impressions and ad revenue, desperate for the new episode, to see what happens next, as if it were a show on HBO and not real life.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He's "fun to watch" when he's being a dipshit. Not when he's being a Nazi.

But I would like to borrow your crystal ball for next week's Lotto numbers please.

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Even when he's "a dipshit", the attention he garners legitamizes him as a candidate. Attention is the whole game. The Michael Jordan of "no bad publicity." The entertainment you describe is just a different form of rubbernecking. And Trump attracts droves by regularly providing a new car accident to gawk at; and doing so on a fairly steady, news cycle friendly basis.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You can't legitimize a legitimate candidate any more than he's already been legitimized.

Expecting people to never talk about one of the two people who have a chance at being president next year within a month of election day is a bit silly.

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I don't take exception to talking about him. I take exception with people being entertained by him. Even as schadenfreude.

The media legitimizes him by summerizing his statements. By hypothesizing what he meant instead of what he actually said. They give him the benefit of the doubt, time and time again. Age is no longer an issue, grabbing unconcenting women by their genetials is no longer an issue, felonies are no longer an issue, debt and taxes are no longer an issue, anything that has become boring is no longer an issue. It's all about new new new.

They push this bilge about fairness to justify giving him a platform, but really they just need a heel for their wrestling spectacle.

He didn't falsely claim, he lied. He didn't accidentally reference facist rhetoric, he used it. He doesn't deny climate change, he profits from it. Etc.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Pointing at him and laughing is how everyone figured out the emperor had no clothes.

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

In the Emperor's New Clothes, it is the emperor, his men, and the townspeople who are being conned by the weavers. In real life the mainstream media is more like the emperor, we're the townspeople, and Trump and Cheung are the weavers, who in the tale successfully escape with the money for the nonexistent clothes.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You're right. They should just cancel the Daily Show. All it does is help Trump. Laughing at bad people helps them.

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If those people cultivate a posture of victimhood as a tool for propoganda, then yes, pointing and laughing at them justifies their outrage and is a help to them.

I will quote from a comment I made a while back on a different thread:

[The problem with the conservative base is] self esteem. If you feel powerless, or worthless, or rudderless, any group that makes you feel powerful, valuable, and effective is going to be very appealing. Conservatives (read: fascists) prey on this. They make it seem like joining them is brave, and important. And since their followers lack identity and purpose, their self worth becomes entangled with [in group], be it closeted fascism such as the American GOP, or flaming fascism such as Q/proud boys/whatever. And since their identity and value depends on the perpetuation and proliferation of their in-group, they willingly accept lies and falsehood. And attacks on their in-group become attacks on them. Pretty easy to gaslight someone who's encouraging it.

Then when they wear their symbols of hate, or make shocking claims, or in anyway troll and grief society, up to and including dismantling democracy, they get a reaction. They've exerted their will on the world around them, and as such they feel powerful. The insidious bit is, even if the good guys win, with all their high falutin factual arguments and social programs, it just makes these sad people angier and feel worthless again. So they go right back to their pimps for some more sweet lies and marching orders.

The conservatives have weaponized fact checking. Every time we slam dunk on them, they just get angrier and burrow deeper into denial.

It may feel good to laugh at them, lord knows they deserve it, but it is not effective in combating them. First and foremost it is most successful as entertainment, and entertainment is only as successful as it is profitable. And this ecosystem is dependent on Trump being relevant. He is a cash cow, a hideous, demonic cow, but the left and right alike are at his greasy teats just the same.

I'll even go one further and say that the catharsis we feel from watching a comedian humilate Trump releases pressure in the audience that might otherwise build into an actual revolution. If we can't tune in to our favorite funny man and get some appeasement about the sickening cognitive dissonance we suffer through day after day, we may be forced to direct that energy outward and actually get into the streets. In short, humor may be pacifying an otherwise powerful people.

[–] sue_me_please@awful.systems 2 points 2 days ago

Humor is a powerful rhetorical weapon. I wouldn't discount it.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yep. Definitely cancel The Daily Show. It's a bad, bad thing.

Also Seth Meyers and Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel.

Oh, and Have I Got News for You on CNN. That's a new one, but it's funny.

And Last Week Tonight With John Oliver. He talks about Trump every week and makes fun of him.

Wow, so many shows that help Trump, am I right? We need to get these people off our TVs and return to real comedy! Like Perfect Strangers and ALF! Remember ALF?

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Believe what you want. But while you're watching six TV shows, conservatives are positioning themselves for an actual coup.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh! All that stand-up comedy too! Gotta get rid of all those stand-up comedians. We need good ones like we used to have like George Carl- no wait, he talked about Republican presidential candidates. I know, Richard Pry- no, he did too... Oh! Henny Youngman! Hilarious stuff! "Take my wife... please!"

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz -1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You're right, a startling number of political comedians seem to betray progressive ideologies and become mysteriously conservative. Must be a coincidence.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Yes, the famously conservative Jon Stewart, John Oliver, Seth Meyers, Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel. All of them known arch-conservative Trump supporters.

Not to mention, as I said, George Carlin and Richard Pryor- they were huge Republicans before they died.

You've figured it all out.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But how little his fans care that he's full of bullshit will be terrifying to watch.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

His fans are, at most, 30% of the country. It's the rest of the voters I worry about.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They weren't that fun the first time.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I guess I take my humor out of this election where I can.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 2 points 3 days ago

Oh man, same. It’s one thing to constantly hear about various privileged and lucky shitheads trying to make the world worse for others. It’s another thing entirely when the universe has seen fit to give such a bad one so much influence.

Much like with the pandemic, I try to at least appreciate when I am living through something historic. And when it is “future history students will not believe this is real” level stupidity, dark humor is waiting right there.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

I can’t think of many things I find more awful than listening to that man speak. My obstructive sleep apnea, maybe. Maybe.