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Maybe EVs are not a comprehensive climate solution??

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[–] houseofleft@slrpnk.net 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

Public transport would be a much more effective and cheaper solution, but we're all looking at EVs because it means not having to change anything about the status quo.

[–] DantesFreezer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yes. Easy patch.

I mean, public transport is a fucking ton of money to start up, and anywhere outside an urban center it is not just a loss but almost a total loss due to distances.

I remember being in a meeting in grad school to discuss the school bus system as part of the student review of finances. We had a bus route that went to another town a good distance away, and it was nearly always empty or with like 2 people on it, so they basically said once the grant money is gone we will shut down this route. We can't afford to put good money into something expensive and isn't getting used.

I realize there is a lot about car culture feeding that, but it remains a massive obstacle. Switching from existing structures like parking etc to public transport? How? How fast? What do we do with that space? Who pays for it? I'm frustrated by the system but we can't just start from a blank slate, we have to work with it.

[–] federalreverse@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Switching from existing structures like parking etc to public transport? How? How fast? What do we do with that space? Who pays for it? I'm frustrated by the system but we can't just start from a blank slate, we have to work with it.

Are you serious? I was in the US just once, and within 3 days, I felt depressed. I had originally planned to travel through the US and CA for two weeks but following a one-week work thing and decided to just return after following obligatory week 1.

At least two thirds of basically any downtown appears to be parking and there's at least a further 15% that's overly wide roads.

You could remove the concrete and build parks which would improve those cities' water household and have made me feel less depressed. You could build housing. You could build stores. You could build third places. You could make downtowns livable.

And it's definitely possible. Because those places all existed before they were bulldozed to better suit cars.

[–] kozy138@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The fact that the remote/rural bus stops aren't being used is not a fault of public transportation itself. But rather, it's the fault of route design/planning.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Isn't route design/planning part of a public transportation system? And even if it weren't, it's still a real and valid issue that would need to be addressed. Even if the plan is just to force everyone into high-density housing against their will, you still have the last mile problem, just like cable and internet companies. Either the bus stops at every building (and is therefore too slow to be useful) or some people have to walk farther than others, which is fine for most of us, but disabled/elderly/injured people shouldn't be further disadvantaged as part of our transportation strategy.

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