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[–] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Andrew Tate blaming normal life issues on women and pushing teenagers to be very hateful against them is one big reason

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

If the issues young men had wherent real he wouldnt have the followers. We do account for 75% of suicides so Tate's diagnosis is correct just his treatment is wrong.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He preys on vulnerable young men, yes, that's the point. There are healthier male role models online but I'm not sure youtube shares them widely.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Exactly. But i feel both sides simply see these young men as soldiers to be recruited to their army of ideology. Regardless their is definatly a crisis of purpose for all youths thats effecting men particularly badly.

[–] Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

75% of suicide deaths. the number of attempts is about the same

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Dont send a women to do a mans job" - Andrew Tate

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If you can’t kill yourself properly, just find a real alpha man to do the job correctly? You don’t know jack about suicide. Here let me mansplain that for ya

  • puts down Tylenol, grabs gun

Edited for clarity since this is very dark humor: “In other news tonight, the “smiling woman” was arrested today after apparently murdering her husband. She was contemplating suicide but made other choices. The video was live-streamed on tic tock. Coming at 6 tonight stay tuned to WTAF news”

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wait u thought i was being serious?

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 0 points 1 month ago

I hope not lol

[–] Moops@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is such a wildly intelligent comment that I'm curious what the down voters think. Guessing either Tate fans or ignoramuses, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I downvoted because the fact that issues exists doesn't justify the proposed "solutions". It's like saying that bloodletting has a point because patients really were sick, those things are not causally related.

I think that even having no one talk about problems is better than having someone talk about problems to actively do harm and gain power. One part of my reasons is usually this is not the case, and some already talk about the same problems but are not heard. Another reason is that when a problem is widely spread and there is no one exploiting it or raising awareness, there exists a pressure to start doing just that. So even no one is better than Tate.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the fact that issues exists doesn't justify the proposed "solutions"

Ok but they never said it did. They just pointed out that saying "assholes like Andrew State are responsible" leaves out that there's a reason people go to him and thus is not the actual root problem

I think that even having no one talk about problems is better than having someone talk about problems to actively do harm and gain power

Wow, you're trash

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev -1 points 1 month ago

Reason people go to Tate is not because issues exist, there's reason to people going to any liar or scammer and it's never the issue at hand, it's the illusion of a simple answer.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Have been discussing it with them and they are simply unwilling to give him any credit even if said credit is for highly successfull marketing of a wildly dangerouse religion like ideology to vulnerable youths.

[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How disgusting, people being unwilling to credit a rapist and sex trafficker.

[–] sukhmel@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago

Next thing we're going to do is what, not crediting Hitler?