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[–] sweetpotato@lemmy.ml 63 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Your urban planning. Your cities are unwalkable, the scenery makes me depressed af, everything is scaled up for cars, even restaurants are for cars, the highways are huge, all I can see is tar. I don't know how you can live like that.

[–] minyakcurry@monyet.cc 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

To be fair, the national parks are really beautiful. But you need a car to even reach these parks, then drive into a massive parking lot -- really depressing.

[–] sweetpotato@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Haven't been there, I can imagine, but could it be any other way? I mean, what would the alternative be? Have no forests and green spaces in the entire country? That would not be sustainable.

[–] minyakcurry@monyet.cc 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ideally? Have public transport that runs to these national parks. Japan has train stations that bring you right up to the foot of a mountain -- I'm almost very certain that one train station requires less space than a carpark (thinking in terms of capacity here). Of course this requires a massive revamp in infrastructure, but one can wish. There are also some buses that feed into these parks, which is fantastic, give me more! As a tourist, I'll gladly give these buses more money than whatever car rental company I have to use.

P. S. I think the immediate short-circuiting to "guess we won't have forests" is kinda worrying.

[–] sweetpotato@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

That's fair, but I believe cities can't be like that regardless. It's where you live everyday, the forests do not fix that. Your surroundings everyday affect mental and physical health (and these two interact with each other as well) and although a Sunday walk in nature is important, it will be negligible.

You have a much higher chance of living a sedentary life because you have to be in a car all day, so statistically less exercise, more obesity, worse quality of sleep (shown in scientific studies) all of which lead to mental health deterioration. There is also more noise pollution the more cars there are and the less trees there are, not only in the house(let's suppose you have good insulation) but also when you are out of the house. This is causing stress (you can't always realize this but it's happening), so high blood pressure, mental health issues etc. And of course air pollution. Besides all that, there are also less interactions with other people, less public spaces, so less socialization which is also a big factor in mental health and overall wellbeing. I personally really value the latter.

I'm not trying to throw shade to the country, I wish the way of life was better, cause I'd like to work there for some years and I'm not saying Europe is perfect, obviously the problems exist there as well but to a very lower degree. I could live almost wherever in Europe, but I can never live in the US.

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

That's why you stick to National Forests. Just make sure not to get lost and eaten by a bear.

I took the Empire Builder train, then walked into Glacier National Park. But, then, the only way to get up Going-to-the-Sun Road was by shuttle bus, and we got stuck in a mile-long traffic jam on the side of a mountain. So ridiculous.

[–] MataVatnik@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

I don’t know how you can live like that.

We don't, we develop mental health issues and our bodies get crippled in the process too.